Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml Or, order one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tube-off-r... On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 07:45:21 AM PDT, detomaso-request@detomasolist.com <detomaso-request@detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso@detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request@detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner@detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: New member (Ben Roper) 2. Re: New member (Thomas Törnblom) 3. Re: New member (Larry Stock) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 06:34:30 -0700 From: Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Scott Mead <scott@scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Message-ID: <83079FC2-8835-4A9A-99C1-C6D51325D66B@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner. Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly. However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come. On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <scott@scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a pain to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. Sent from my iPhone Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__server.detomasol ist.com_mailman_listinfo_detomaso&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqO f-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=mxm2g1hl9awD5Ei_9FoJNQLsSZO-Lp4JO1VlfGnrH38&m=pHRBg 42cNi1q2FiMI9aw7FyXH5HrM1fFFNxWz8EG3mE47N9Vxmy6dB-8TSIxkTH6&s=WrhzpOt_X PxPSSs_jtdFOMNF6vxyFh0EFeYFhcOuLoU&e= To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200 From: Thomas Törnblom <thomas@hax.se> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Message-ID: <EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
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On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <scott@scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a pain to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. Sent from my iPhone Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__server.detomasol ist.com_mailman_listinfo_detomaso&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqO f-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=mxm2g1hl9awD5Ei_9FoJNQLsSZO-Lp4JO1VlfGnrH38&m=pHRBg 42cNi1q2FiMI9aw7FyXH5HrM1fFFNxWz8EG3mE47N9Vxmy6dB-8TSIxkTH6&s=WrhzpOt_X PxPSSs_jtdFOMNF6vxyFh0EFeYFhcOuLoU&e= To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700 From: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Thomas Törnblom <thomas@hax.se>, Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Message-ID: <14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil: All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the Evaporator filter. O-Ring vs Flare Fittings: All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with. The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>> wrote: It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a pain to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved?
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See examples in these threads... [1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml Or, order one. [3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 [4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu be-off-road-and-marine-4150-4160.html On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 07:45:21 AM PDT, detomaso-request@detomasolist.com <detomaso-request@detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [6]detomaso-request@detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [7]detomaso-owner@detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: New member (Ben Roper) 2. Re: New member (Thomas Törnblom) 3. Re: New member (Larry Stock) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 06:34:30 -0700 From: Ben Roper <[8]ben_roper@yahoo.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Scott Mead <[9]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: [10]detomaso@detomasolist.com Message-ID: <[11]83079FC2-8835-4A9A-99C1-C6D51325D66B@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner. Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly. However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come. On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sent from my iPhone pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. Sent from my iPhone Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com
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25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200 From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com> Cc: [24]detomaso@detomasolist.com Message-ID: <[25]EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved?
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25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700 From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se>, Ben Roper <[41]ben_roper@yahoo.com> Cc: [42]detomaso@detomasolist.com Message-ID: <[43]14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil: All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the Evaporator filter. O-Ring vs Flare Fittings: All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with. The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>> wrote: It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on the same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, and power valve would still work correctly. Thoughts? ________________________________ From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 7:48 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vintage-mustang.com%2Fposts%2F10877511%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638864921124397206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aua3g9O5jZkIeWvp5vlm0ppHFO1zGE4RvV7oOBiEA3c%3D&reserved=0<https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/> It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclassicbroncos.com%2Fcarb_tricks.shtml&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638864921124423009%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iHxTFPu0FVFu0wdpk%2FBrzMNRD5KZ0aBN%2F1D%2BB%2FOqxKo%3D&reserved=0<https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml> Or, order one. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F192886524715&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638864921124439281%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BubMNb9oHkNm%2Fa3PRhIFlnjqpufm7slXWQeZoMHzPJE%3D&reserved=0<https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.figspeed.com%2Fcarburetors-accessories%2Faccessories%2Fvent-tube-off-road-and-marine-4150-4160.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638864921124453150%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P2l%2ByxuC98PEWDPpEsoOE6MmY%2BMgkgy%2BX5e8HZPcJzo%3D&reserved=0<https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tube-off-road-and-marine-4150-4160.html> On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on the same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, and power valve would still work correctly. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________ From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 7:48 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .vintage-mustang.com%2Fposts%2F10877511%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724 e74b239b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638 864921124397206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiI wLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C %7C&sdata=aua3g9O5jZkIeWvp5vlm0ppHFO1zGE4RvV7oOBiEA3c%3D&reserved=0 It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcla ssicbroncos.com%2Fcarb_tricks.shtml&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239 b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6388649211 24423009%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMD AwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sda ta=iHxTFPu0FVFu0wdpk%2FBrzMNRD5KZ0aBN%2F1D%2BB%2FOqxKo%3D&reserved=0 Or, order one. 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If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? References 1. https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ 2. https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml 3. https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 4. https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tube-off-r...
George, You are manufacturing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist and then creating huge problems. Yes you can flip a Holley around backwards, as long as the intake will accommodate it. Some carbs have smaller primary butterflies but most Holleys do not. So MOST intakeS either have four equal holes, or a single opening. But for the sake of argument, let’s say you flip your carb around and have a shorter fuel line as a result. Hooray. But now your PCV inlet to the carb fouls the distributor, your electric choke is on the wrong side so the wire won’t reach, and most significantly, there is no way to hook up the throttle cable! From new the Pantera had the tank on the left and carb inlet on the right. It’s never been a problem. It’s an interesting thought though! Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 25, 2025, at 17:29, George Sekula <georgesekula@outlook.com> wrote:
Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on the same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, and power valve would still work correctly. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________
From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 7:48 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .vintage-mustang.com%2Fposts%2F10877511%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724 e74b239b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638 864921124397206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiI wLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C %7C&sdata=aua3g9O5jZkIeWvp5vlm0ppHFO1zGE4RvV7oOBiEA3c%3D&reserved=0 It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcla ssicbroncos.com%2Fcarb_tricks.shtml&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239 b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6388649211 24423009%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMD AwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sda ta=iHxTFPu0FVFu0wdpk%2FBrzMNRD5KZ0aBN%2F1D%2BB%2FOqxKo%3D&reserved=0 Or, order one. [3]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .ebay.com%2Fitm%2F192886524715&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08 ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638864921124439 281%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCI sIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2 BubMNb9oHkNm%2Fa3PRhIFlnjqpufm7slXWQeZoMHzPJE%3D&reserved=0 [4]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .figspeed.com%2Fcarburetors-accessories%2Faccessories%2Fvent-tube-off-r oad-and-marine-4150-4160.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08d db442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6388649211244531 50%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIs IlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P2l %2ByxuC98PEWDPpEsoOE6MmY%2BMgkgy%2BX5e8HZPcJzo%3D&reserved=0
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
References
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You can machine the top of intake flat so that the carb is not tilted. Rich Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 25, 2025, at 8:09 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
George,
You are manufacturing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist and then creating huge problems.
Yes you can flip a Holley around backwards, as long as the intake will accommodate it. Some carbs have smaller primary butterflies but most Holleys do not. So MOST intakeS either have four equal holes, or a single opening.
But for the sake of argument, let’s say you flip your carb around and have a shorter fuel line as a result.
Hooray.
But now your PCV inlet to the carb fouls the distributor, your electric choke is on the wrong side so the wire won’t reach, and most significantly, there is no way to hook up the throttle cable!
From new the Pantera had the tank on the left and carb inlet on the right. It’s never been a problem.
It’s an interesting thought though!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 25, 2025, at 17:29, George Sekula <georgesekula@outlook.com> wrote:
Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on the same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, and power valve would still work correctly. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________
From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 7:48 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .vintage-mustang.com%2Fposts%2F10877511%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724 e74b239b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638 864921124397206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiI wLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C %7C&sdata=aua3g9O5jZkIeWvp5vlm0ppHFO1zGE4RvV7oOBiEA3c%3D&reserved=0 It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcla ssicbroncos.com%2Fcarb_tricks.shtml&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239 b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6388649211 24423009%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMD AwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sda ta=iHxTFPu0FVFu0wdpk%2FBrzMNRD5KZ0aBN%2F1D%2BB%2FOqxKo%3D&reserved=0 Or, order one. [3]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .ebay.com%2Fitm%2F192886524715&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08 ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638864921124439 281%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCI sIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2 BubMNb9oHkNm%2Fa3PRhIFlnjqpufm7slXWQeZoMHzPJE%3D&reserved=0 [4]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .figspeed.com%2Fcarburetors-accessories%2Faccessories%2Fvent-tube-off-r oad-and-marine-4150-4160.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08d db442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6388649211244531 50%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIs IlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P2l %2ByxuC98PEWDPpEsoOE6MmY%2BMgkgy%2BX5e8HZPcJzo%3D&reserved=0
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
References
1. https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ 2. https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml 3. https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 4. https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tube-off-r...
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I picked up this wedge plate from Amazon. It approximates a level intake and increases plenum volume a bit. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CON2AO?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_ti... I moved to TBI, but retained it to help with deck lid clearance. Brian On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 5:35 AM Rich Hoppe <richbhoppe@gmail.com> wrote:
You can machine the top of intake flat so that the carb is not tilted. Rich Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 25, 2025, at 8:09 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
George,
You are manufacturing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist and then creating huge problems.
Yes you can flip a Holley around backwards, as long as the intake will accommodate it. Some carbs have smaller primary butterflies but most Holleys do not. So MOST intakeS either have four equal holes, or a single opening.
But for the sake of argument, let’s say you flip your carb around and have a shorter fuel line as a result.
Hooray.
But now your PCV inlet to the carb fouls the distributor, your electric choke is on the wrong side so the wire won’t reach, and most significantly, there is no way to hook up the throttle cable!
From new the Pantera had the tank on the left and carb inlet on the right. It’s never been a problem.
It’s an interesting thought though!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 25, 2025, at 17:29, George Sekula <georgesekula@outlook.com> wrote:
Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on the same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, and power valve would still work correctly. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________
From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 7:48 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1] https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .vintage-mustang.com %2Fposts%2F10877511%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724 e74b239b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638 864921124397206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiI wLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C %7C&sdata=aua3g9O5jZkIeWvp5vlm0ppHFO1zGE4RvV7oOBiEA3c%3D&reserved=0 It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2] https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcla ssicbroncos.com %2Fcarb_tricks.shtml&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239 b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6388649211 24423009%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMD AwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sda ta=iHxTFPu0FVFu0wdpk%2FBrzMNRD5KZ0aBN%2F1D%2BB%2FOqxKo%3D&reserved=0 Or, order one. [3] https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .ebay.com %2Fitm%2F192886524715&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08 ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638864921124439 281%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCI sIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2 BubMNb9oHkNm%2Fa3PRhIFlnjqpufm7slXWQeZoMHzPJE%3D&reserved=0 [4] https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .figspeed.com %2Fcarburetors-accessories%2Faccessories%2Fvent-tube-off-r oad-and-marine-4150-4160.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08d db442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6388649211244531 50%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIs IlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P2l %2ByxuC98PEWDPpEsoOE6MmY%2BMgkgy%2BX5e8HZPcJzo%3D&reserved=0
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
References
1. https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ 2. https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml 3. https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 4. https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tube-off-r...
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I picked up this wedge plate from Amazon. It approximates a level intake and increases plenum volume a bit. [1]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CON2AO?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed _asin_title_22 I moved to TBI, but retained it to help with deck lid clearance. Brian On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 5:35 AM Rich Hoppe <[2]richbhoppe@gmail.com> wrote: You can machine the top of intake flat so that the carb is not tilted. Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 25, 2025, at 8:09 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote: > > George, > > You are manufacturing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist and then creating huge problems. > > Yes you can flip a Holley around backwards, as long as the intake will accommodate it. Some carbs have smaller primary butterflies but most Holleys do not. So MOST intakeS either have four equal holes, or a single opening. > > But for the sake of argument, let’s say you flip your carb around and have a shorter fuel line as a result. > > Hooray. > > But now your PCV inlet to the carb fouls the distributor, your electric choke is on the wrong side so the wire won’t reach, and most significantly, there is no way to hook up the throttle cable! > > From new the Pantera had the tank on the left and carb inlet on the right. It’s never been a problem. > > It’s an interesting thought though! > > Mike > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jun 25, 2025, at 17:29, George Sekula <[4]georgesekula@outlook.com> wrote: >> >> Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on the >> same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the >> carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, >> and power valve would still work correctly. 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I use a Holley 4160 with the fuel inlet on the left. I have an extra one like new if you need one.Price is right. In a message dated 6/25/2025 10:10:01 PM Central Daylight Time, detomaso@detomasolist.com writes: George, You are manufacturing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist and then creating huge problems. Yes you can flip a Holley around backwards, as long as the intake will accommodate it. Some carbs have smaller primary butterflies but most Holleys do not. So MOST intakeS either have four equal holes, or a single opening. But for the sake of argument, let’s say you flip your carb around and have a shorter fuel line as a result. Hooray. But now your PCV inlet to the carb fouls the distributor, your electric choke is on the wrong side so the wire won’t reach, and most significantly, there is no way to hook up the throttle cable! From new the Pantera had the tank on the left and carb inlet on the right. It’s never been a problem. It’s an interesting thought though! Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 25, 2025, at 17:29, George Sekula <georgesekula@outlook.com> wrote:
Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on the same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, and power valve would still work correctly. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________
From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 7:48 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .vintage-mustang.com%2Fposts%2F10877511%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724 e74b239b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638 864921124397206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiI wLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C %7C&sdata=aua3g9O5jZkIeWvp5vlm0ppHFO1zGE4RvV7oOBiEA3c%3D&reserved=0 It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcla ssicbroncos.com%2Fcarb_tricks.shtml&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239 b2c08ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6388649211 24423009%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMD AwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sda ta=iHxTFPu0FVFu0wdpk%2FBrzMNRD5KZ0aBN%2F1D%2BB%2FOqxKo%3D&reserved=0 Or, order one. [3]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .ebay.com%2Fitm%2F192886524715&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08 ddb442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638864921124439 281%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCI sIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2 BubMNb9oHkNm%2Fa3PRhIFlnjqpufm7slXWQeZoMHzPJE%3D&reserved=0 [4]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww .figspeed.com%2Fcarburetors-accessories%2Faccessories%2Fvent-tube-off-r oad-and-marine-4150-4160.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C1c0719e724e74b239b2c08d db442c7e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6388649211244531 50%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIs IlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P2l %2ByxuC98PEWDPpEsoOE6MmY%2BMgkgy%2BX5e8HZPcJzo%3D&reserved=0
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
References
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On Jun 25, 2025, at 17:29, George Sekula <[1]georgesekula@outlook.com> wrote:
Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I use a Holley 4160 with the fuel inlet on the left. I have an extra one like new if you need one. Price is right. In a message dated 6/25/2025 10:10:01 PM Central Daylight Time, detomaso@detomasolist.com writes: George, You are manufacturing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist and then creating huge problems. Yes you can flip a Holley around backwards, as long as the intake will accommodate it. Some carbs have smaller primary butterflies but most Holleys do not. So MOST intakeS either have four equal holes, or a single opening. But for the sake of argument, let’s say you flip your carb around and have a shorter fuel line as a result. Hooray. But now your PCV inlet to the carb fouls the distributor, your electric choke is on the wrong side so the wire won’t reach, and most significantly, there is no way to hook up the throttle cable! From new the Pantera had the tank on the left and carb inlet on the right. It’s never been a problem. It’s an interesting thought though! Mike Sent from my iPad the
same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, and power valve would still work correctly. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________
From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 7:48 PM To: [3]detomaso@detomasolist.com <[4]detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Ben Roper <[5]ben_roper@yahoo.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads...
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On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
References
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On Jun 25, 2025, at 17:29, George Sekula <[1]georgesekula@outlook.com <mailto:georgesekula@outlook.com>> wrote:
Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on
Damn!!! I just bought a new one!! Jeez. On 6/26/25, 9:19 AM, "JOHN NEAL via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote: I use a Holley 4160 with the fuel inlet on the left. I have an extra one like new if you need one. Price is right. In a message dated 6/25/2025 10:10:01 PM Central Daylight Time, detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> writes: George, You are manufacturing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist and then creating huge problems. Yes you can flip a Holley around backwards, as long as the intake will accommodate it. Some carbs have smaller primary butterflies but most Holleys do not. So MOST intakeS either have four equal holes, or a single opening. But for the sake of argument, let’s say you flip your carb around and have a shorter fuel line as a result. Hooray. But now your PCV inlet to the carb fouls the distributor, your electric choke is on the wrong side so the wire won’t reach, and most significantly, there is no way to hook up the throttle cable! From new the Pantera had the tank on the left and carb inlet on the right. It’s never been a problem. It’s an interesting thought though! Mike Sent from my iPad the
same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, and power valve would still work correctly. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________
From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 7:48 PM To: [3]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <[4]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>; Ben Roper <[5]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads...
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On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
References
1. [6]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/> 2. [7]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml> 3. [8]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715> 4. [9]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu <https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu> be-off-road-and-marine-4150-4160.html
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On Jun 25, 2025, at 17:29, George Sekula <[1]georgesekula@outlook.com <mailto:georgesekula@outlook.com> <mailto:georgesekula@outlook.com <mailto:georgesekula@outlook.com>>> wrote:
Sorry for jumping in. I wish the fuel feed on a Holley 4150 was on
Long answer - maybe... My carburetor mounting is flat - SVO intake. I wouldn't even attempt this with an angled intake. I tried putting the carb on backwards - just to see if it helped with the linkage, but it made it worse. DeTomaso did it right. Keep the linkage on the driver's side. I ran for years with the fuel lines on the driver's side. It's easy to flip the fuel bowls around. Some holleys are okay. Some barely clear the linkage. Putting the fuel line on the driver's side gets the fuel lines out of the way of the distributor. It's a much cleaner routing. But I switched it back to the passenger's side to avoid potential linkage problems. I'd rather have a fuel line routed around the distributor than a linkage that sticks. So, as others have said - maybe - but why? -- On 6/26/25, 3:31 PM, "Terry Himes" <terry.himes@pncnet.com <mailto:terry.himes@pncnet.com>> wrote: Damn!!! I just bought a new one!! Jeez. On 6/26/25, 9:19 AM, "JOHN NEAL via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>> wrote: I use a Holley 4160 with the fuel inlet on the left. I have an extra one like new if you need one. Price is right. In a message dated 6/25/2025 10:10:01 PM Central Daylight Time, detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> writes: George, You are manufacturing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist and then creating huge problems. Yes you can flip a Holley around backwards, as long as the intake will accommodate it. Some carbs have smaller primary butterflies but most Holleys do not. So MOST intakeS either have four equal holes, or a single opening. But for the sake of argument, let’s say you flip your carb around and have a shorter fuel line as a result. Hooray. But now your PCV inlet to the carb fouls the distributor, your electric choke is on the wrong side so the wire won’t reach, and most significantly, there is no way to hook up the throttle cable! From new the Pantera had the tank on the left and carb inlet on the right. It’s never been a problem. It’s an interesting thought though! Mike Sent from my iPad the
same side as the Pantera fuel tank and contemplated mounting the carburetor backwards. But I am not sure if the vents, metering block, and power valve would still work correctly. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________
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Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads...
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On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
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On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking. Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%. I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters. -- On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote: Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. Inline image I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/> It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml> Or, order one. 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Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: New member (Ben Roper) 2. Re: New member (Thomas Törnblom) 3. Re: New member (Larry Stock) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 06:34:30 -0700 From: Ben Roper <[8]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Scott Mead <[9]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> Cc: [10]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[11]83079FC2-8835-4A9A-99C1-C6D51325D66B@yahoo.com <mailto:83079FC2-8835-4A9A-99C1-C6D51325D66B@yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner. Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly. However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come. On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sent from my iPhone pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. Sent from my iPhone Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
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25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200 From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [24]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[25]EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se <mailto:EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
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Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote: pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700 From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper <[41]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [42]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[43]14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com <mailto:14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil: All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the Evaporator filter. O-Ring vs Flare Fittings: All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with. The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se> <mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote: It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. Sent from my iPhone Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [51]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
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I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets? And if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera specific? This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off the shelf. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking.
Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
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Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. Inline image I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/> It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml> Or, order one. [3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715> [4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu <https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu> be-off-road-and-marine-4150-4160.html
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Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
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to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. Sent from my iPhone Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
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Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200 From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [24]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[25]EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se <mailto:EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote: pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700 From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper <[41]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [42]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[43]14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com <mailto:14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil: All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the Evaporator filter. O-Ring vs Flare Fittings: All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with. The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se> <mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote: It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
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On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved?
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That is a temporary starter I installed last year. The original went completely bad and that one is a spare off my cores shelf. It was a last minute replacement. The original locked up completely and wouldn’t turn, even out if the car. The cats meow is a DB Electrical but I don’t have the part number handy. I’m away from my desk. I would not invest in the heat blanket. The starter that is in the car needs to be replaced. Do the research on that. And by the way, it’s not easy to get out; you’ll need to use a pry bar gently on the headers to get a smidgen more clearance to pop it out. Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.” Ronald Reagan
On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:05, Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets? And if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera specific? This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off the shelf. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking.
Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
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On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. Inline image I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/> It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml> Or, order one. [3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715> [4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu <https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu> be-off-road-and-marine-4150-4160.html
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Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
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to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. Sent from my iPhone Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
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25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200 From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [24]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[25]EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se <mailto:EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote: pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
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Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700 From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper <[41]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [42]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[43]14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com <mailto:14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil: All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the Evaporator filter. O-Ring vs Flare Fittings: All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with. The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se> <mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote: It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
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On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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That is a temporary starter I installed last year. The original went completely bad and that one is a spare off my cores shelf. It was a last minute replacement. The original locked up completely and wouldn’t turn, even out if the car. The cats meow is a DB Electrical but I don’t have the part number handy. I’m away from my desk. I would not invest in the heat blanket. The starter that is in the car needs to be replaced. Do the research on that. And by the way, it’s not easy to get out; you’ll need to use a pry bar gently on the headers to get a smidgen more clearance to pop it out. Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.” Ronald Reagan On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:05, Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote: I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets? And if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera specific? This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off the shelf. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote: When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking. Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%. I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters. -- On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote: Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. Inline image I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/> It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml> Or, order one. [3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715> [4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent -tu <https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-t u> be-off-road-and-marine-4150-4160.html On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 07:45:21 AM PDT, detomaso-request@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-request@detomasolist.com> <detomaso-request@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-request@detomasolist.com>> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [6]detomaso-request@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-request@detomasolist.com> You can reach the person managing the list at [7]detomaso-owner@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-owner@detomasolist.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: New member (Ben Roper) 2. Re: New member (Thomas Törnblom) 3. Re: New member (Larry Stock) -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 06:34:30 -0700 From: Ben Roper <[8]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Scott Mead <[9]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> Cc: [10]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[11]83079FC2-8835-4A9A-99C1-C6D51325D66B@yahoo.com <mailto:83079FC2-8835-4A9A-99C1-C6D51325D66B@yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner. Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly. However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come. On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote: Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a pain to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!! Get [2]Outlook for iOS __________________________________________________________________ From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM To: [14]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <[15]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved? I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200 From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [24]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[25]EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se <mailto:EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>: Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner. Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly. However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come. On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote: Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a pain to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!! Get [2]Outlook for iOS __________________________________________________________________ From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[28]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM To: [29]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <[30]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved? I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. !DSPAM:685bfb7821562178616103! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700 From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper <[41]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [42]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[43]14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com <mailto:14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil: All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the Evaporator filter. O-Ring vs Flare Fittings: All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with. The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se> <mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote: It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>: Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner. Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly. However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come. On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <[46]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com> <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>>> wrote: Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a pain to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!! 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…or better yet, unbolt the header for the necessary clearance. Mike Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:19, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
That is a temporary starter I installed last year. The original went completely bad and that one is a spare off my cores shelf. It was a last minute replacement. The original locked up completely and wouldn’t turn, even out if the car.
The cats meow is a DB Electrical but I don’t have the part number handy. I’m away from my desk.
I would not invest in the heat blanket. The starter that is in the car needs to be replaced. Do the research on that. And by the way, it’s not easy to get out; you’ll need to use a pry bar gently on the headers to get a smidgen more clearance to pop it out.
Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired
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On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:05, Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets? And if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera specific? This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off the shelf. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking.
Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
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On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out
your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the
front bowl under hard braking.
Inline image
I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See
examples in these threads...
[1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/>
It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too.
[2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml>
Or, order one.
[3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715>
[4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent -tu <https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-t u>
be-off-road-and-marine-4150-4160.html
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 06:34:30 -0700
From: Ben Roper <[8]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
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Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I
stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a
vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
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It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
<[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700
From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper
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Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil:
All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that
needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual
cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few
weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react
with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the
Evaporator filter.
O-Ring vs Flare Fittings:
All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare
fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to
the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with.
The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just
had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them
make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting
adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare
style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all
the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time.
Larry Stock
Pantera Parts Connection
On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>
<mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote:
It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
<[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
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<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>
<[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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The headers have been safety wired in place because the old bolts had been backing out and one was missing. The clearance needed really is minuscule and won’t be a problem going back in if he gets a DB. Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.” Ronald Reagan
On Jun 26, 2025, at 17:05, Mike Drew <mikeldrew@aol.com> wrote:
…or better yet, unbolt the header for the necessary clearance.
Mike
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On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:19, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
That is a temporary starter I installed last year. The original went completely bad and that one is a spare off my cores shelf. It was a last minute replacement. The original locked up completely and wouldn’t turn, even out if the car.
The cats meow is a DB Electrical but I don’t have the part number handy. I’m away from my desk.
I would not invest in the heat blanket. The starter that is in the car needs to be replaced. Do the research on that. And by the way, it’s not easy to get out; you’ll need to use a pry bar gently on the headers to get a smidgen more clearance to pop it out.
Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired
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On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:05, Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets? And if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera specific? This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off the shelf. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking.
Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
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On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out
your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the
front bowl under hard braking.
Inline image
I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See
examples in these threads...
[1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/>
It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too.
[2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml>
Or, order one.
[3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715>
[4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent -tu <https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-t u>
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From: Ben Roper <[8]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
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Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I
stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a
vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
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It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
<[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700
From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper
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Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil:
All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that
needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual
cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few
weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react
with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the
Evaporator filter.
O-Ring vs Flare Fittings:
All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare
fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to
the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with.
The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just
had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them
make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting
adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare
style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all
the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time.
Larry Stock
Pantera Parts Connection
On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>
<mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote:
It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
<[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
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Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>
<[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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The headers have been safety wired in place because the old bolts had been backing out and one was missing. The clearance needed really is minuscule and won’t be a problem going back in if he gets a DB. Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.” Ronald Reagan On Jun 26, 2025, at 17:05, Mike Drew <mikeldrew@aol.com> wrote: …or better yet, unbolt the header for the necessary clearance. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:19, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote: That is a temporary starter I installed last year. The original went completely bad and that one is a spare off my cores shelf. It was a last minute replacement. The original locked up completely and wouldn’t turn, even out if the car. The cats meow is a DB Electrical but I don’t have the part number handy. I’m away from my desk. I would not invest in the heat blanket. The starter that is in the car needs to be replaced. Do the research on that. And by the way, it’s not easy to get out; you’ll need to use a pry bar gently on the headers to get a smidgen more clearance to pop it out. Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.” Ronald Reagan On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:05, Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote: I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets? And if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera specific? This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off the shelf. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote: When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking. Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%. I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters. -- On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote: Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. Inline image I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/> It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml> Or, order one. 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Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: New member (Ben Roper) 2. Re: New member (Thomas Törnblom) 3. Re: New member (Larry Stock) ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 06:34:30 -0700 From: Ben Roper <[8]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Scott Mead <[9]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> Cc: [10]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[11]83079FC2-8835-4A9A-99C1-C6D51325D66B@yahoo.com <mailto:83079FC2-8835-4A9A-99C1-C6D51325D66B@yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner. Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly. However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come. On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote: Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a pain to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!! Get [2]Outlook for iOS _________________________________________________________________ _ From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM To: [14]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <[15]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved? I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200 From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [24]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[25]EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se <mailto:EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>: Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner. Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly. However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come. On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote: Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a pain to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!! Get [2]Outlook for iOS _________________________________________________________________ _ From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[28]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM To: [29]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <[30]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved? I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. !DSPAM:685bfb7821562178616103! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700 From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper <[41]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [42]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[43]14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com <mailto:14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil: All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the Evaporator filter. O-Ring vs Flare Fittings: All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with. The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se> <mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote: It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>: Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner. Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and the AC is functioning perfectly. However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come. On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead <[46]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com> <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>>> wrote: Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a pain to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!! Get [2]Outlook for iOS _________________________________________________________________ _ From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[48]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM To: [49]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> <[50]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74 Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried joining the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for administrator approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still hasn’t been approved? I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the verge of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better bite in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car. 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I have a recollection from about 1975 of epoxying short tubes to the jets in a Holley to draw fuel from the center of the float bowl to solve the braking problem. I also did a patent for a check valve that attached to the vent for rollover protection. On Thursday, June 26, 2025 at 05:04:53 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote: …or better yet, unbolt the header for the necessary clearance. Mike Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:19, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
That is a temporary starter I installed last year. The original went completely bad and that one is a spare off my cores shelf. It was a last minute replacement. The original locked up completely and wouldn’t turn, even out if the car.
The cats meow is a DB Electrical but I don’t have the part number handy. I’m away from my desk.
I would not invest in the heat blanket. The starter that is in the car needs to be replaced. Do the research on that. And by the way, it’s not easy to get out; you’ll need to use a pry bar gently on the headers to get a smidgen more clearance to pop it out.
Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired
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On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:05, Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets? And if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera specific? This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off the shelf. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking.
Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
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On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out
your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the
front bowl under hard braking.
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I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See
examples in these threads...
[1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/>
It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too.
[2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml>
Or, order one.
[3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715>
[4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent -tu <https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-t u>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 06:34:30 -0700
From: Ben Roper <[8]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
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Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I
stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a
vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200
From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
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It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
<[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700
From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper
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Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil:
All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that
needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual
cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few
weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react
with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the
Evaporator filter.
O-Ring vs Flare Fittings:
All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare
fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to
the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with.
The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just
had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them
make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting
adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare
style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all
the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time.
Larry Stock
Pantera Parts Connection
On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>
<mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote:
It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
<[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[46]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>
<[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:19, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
That is a temporary starter I installed last year. The original went completely bad and that one is a spare off my cores shelf. It was a last minute replacement. The original locked up completely and wouldn’t turn, even out if the car.
The cats meow is a DB Electrical but I don’t have the part number handy. I’m away from my desk.
I would not invest in the heat blanket. The starter that is in the car needs to be replaced. Do the research on that. And by the way, it’s not easy to get out; you’ll need to use a pry bar gently on the
to get a smidgen more clearance to pop it out.
Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired
“Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.”
Ronald Reagan
On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:05, Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets? And if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera specific? This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I have a recollection from about 1975 of epoxying short tubes to the jets in a Holley to draw fuel from the center of the float bowl to solve the braking problem. I also did a patent for a check valve that attached to the vent for rollover protection. On Thursday, June 26, 2025 at 05:04:53 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote: …or better yet, unbolt the header for the necessary clearance. Mike Sent from my iPhone headers the
shelf. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman <[3]will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking.
Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
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On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <[4]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out
your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the
front bowl under hard braking.
Inline image
I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See
examples in these threads...
[1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <[5]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/>
It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too.
[2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <[6]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml>
Or, order one.
[3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 <[7]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715>
[4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent
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Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If I
stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a
vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <[11]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
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It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
<[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <[17]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700
From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper
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Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil:
All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them
g42cNi1q2FiMI9aw7FyXH5HrM1fFFNxWz8EG3mE47N9Vxmy6dB-8TSIxkTH6&s=Wrhzp that
needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual
cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few
weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will
react
with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block
the
Evaporator filter.
O-Ring vs Flare Fittings:
All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare
fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming
obsolete
to
the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with.
The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just
had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them
make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting
adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare
style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all
the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time.
Larry Stock
Pantera Parts Connection
On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>
<mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote:
It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
<[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[46]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>>> wrote:
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <[24]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>
<[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <[25]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s
kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated
parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
which works like a champ!
Have fun with the Pantera!!!
Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
hasn’t been approved?
I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Ben, A lot of us have had great success with the high torque mini starters from DB Electric. Ask them for the optional wiring kit as well. The Pantera isn’t listed but you need the standard Ford starter for manual transmission cars. Larry Finch has the new part number. I can’t remember it off hand but the old one used to be SFD0012 or 3223. They recently renumbered all their starters to help confuse us. :) That is, once you have checked all connections etc. on your existing starter. Mike Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 16:05, Ben Roper via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets? And if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera specific? This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off the shelf. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard braking.
Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll never forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
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On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing out your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the front bowl under hard braking. Inline image I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See examples in these threads... [1]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/ <https://www.vintage-mustang.com/posts/10877511/> It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too. [2]https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml <https://classicbroncos.com/carb_tricks.shtml> Or, order one. [3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715 <https://www.ebay.com/itm/192886524715> [4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu <https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu> be-off-road-and-marine-4150-4160.html
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Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock Girling brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
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to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200 From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [24]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[25]EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se <mailto:EEACD6BF-488E-4FC8-BF3F-1F1387BA6501@hax.se>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote: pain
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the drivers footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to try jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what I did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly then had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled the system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far and
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700 From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben Roper <[41]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>> Cc: [42]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <[43]14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com <mailto:14C8F751-F160-49FD-B731-75DF9153D33B@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil: All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the Evaporator filter. O-Ring vs Flare Fittings: All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete to the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work with. The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I just had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have them make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for all the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se> <mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote: It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a and is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago. the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last long. Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the AC done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon in the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a hard time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit of wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa has been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful for every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting this car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely. It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their shortcomings and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to tune, and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What can I do to mitigate or test this?
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On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell at SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/ <https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <[47]https://www.saccrestorations.net/> <https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions. Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as dedicated parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator, which works like a champ! Have fun with the Pantera!!!
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