I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down https://pim.net/tpage.html I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid. Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item? Doug Braun I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid. Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item? Doug Braun References 1. https://pim.net/tpage.html
Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
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The PPC heim joint used to require one sending in the shaft for machining to an SAE heim bore size, not sure if that is still the case, which never made any sense to me as suitable metric heim (rod end) joints are readily available for less than that PI billet version! I'd have to measure the shaft again, but it's 18 or 19mm diameter if I recall correctly. Julian ________________________________ From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:36 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
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On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
References
1. [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html
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Julian, You’re right, it’s 18mm. Part of the PPC deal is that the piece they attach is hardened, supposedly much harder than the stock rod. That said, I can’t see why a regular 18mm heim wouldn’t work just fine with the stock rod. The rod might have to be sanded to ensure smooth operation. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:56, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
The PPC heim joint used to require one sending in the shaft for machining to an SAE heim bore size, not sure if that is still the case, which never made any sense to me as suitable metric heim (rod end) joints are readily available for less than that PI billet version!
I'd have to measure the shaft again, but it's 18 or 19mm diameter if I recall correctly.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:36 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
References
1. [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html
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Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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Mike & Julian, 18mm metric heim joints are available (I bought one years ago and tried to use it) The problem is that the heim’s threaded stud is also 18mm which is way larger than the 16mm thread size of the stock trunnion. The wrench size for the stock trunnion nuts is 24mm but the 18mm heim’s nuts need a 27mm wrench. That large of a nut won’t fit into the underside of the frame pedestal the trunnion mounts on. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 5:54 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Julian, You’re right, it’s 18mm. Part of the PPC deal is that the piece they attach is hardened, supposedly much harder than the stock rod. That said, I can’t see why a regular 18mm heim wouldn’t work just fine with the stock rod. The rod might have to be sanded to ensure smooth operation. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:56, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
The PPC heim joint used to require one sending in the shaft for machining to an SAE heim bore size, not sure if that is still the case, which never made any sense to me as suitable metric heim (rod end) joints are readily available for less than that PI billet version!
I'd have to measure the shaft again, but it's 18 or 19mm diameter if I recall correctly.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:36 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
References
1. [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html
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Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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Doug, Interesting. So are you saying the SAE heim joint that is nominally 18mm has a smaller threaded shank? I think a call to Pantera Performance is in order…. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 18:13, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike & Julian,
18mm metric heim joints are available (I bought one years ago and tried to use it) The problem is that the heim’s threaded stud is also 18mm which is way larger than the 16mm thread size of the stock trunnion. The wrench size for the stock trunnion nuts is 24mm but the 18mm heim’s nuts need a 27mm wrench. That large of a nut won’t fit into the underside of the frame pedestal the trunnion mounts on.
Doug
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 5:54 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Julian,
You’re right, it’s 18mm.
Part of the PPC deal is that the piece they attach is hardened, supposedly much harder than the stock rod. That said, I can’t see why a regular 18mm heim wouldn’t work just fine with the stock rod. The rod might have to be sanded to ensure smooth operation.
Mike
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On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:56, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
The PPC heim joint used to require one sending in the shaft for machining to an SAE heim bore size, not sure if that is still the case, which never made any sense to me as suitable metric heim (rod end) joints are readily available for less than that PI billet version!
I'd have to measure the shaft again, but it's 18 or 19mm diameter if I recall correctly.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:36 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
References
1. [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html
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Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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Yes - that's what I'm saying but Heim joints with the stud smaller than the bore don't seem to be available (either in SAE or metric). Maybe PPC custom ordered the Heim joint they're using. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 8:17 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Doug, Interesting. So are you saying the SAE heim joint that is nominally 18mm has a smaller threaded shank? I think a call to Pantera Performance is in order…. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 18:13, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike & Julian,
18mm metric heim joints are available (I bought one years ago and tried to use it) The problem is that the heim’s threaded stud is also 18mm which is way larger than the 16mm thread size of the stock trunnion. The wrench size for the stock trunnion nuts is 24mm but the 18mm heim’s nuts need a 27mm wrench. That large of a nut won’t fit into the underside of the frame pedestal the trunnion mounts on.
Doug
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 5:54 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Julian,
You’re right, it’s 18mm.
Part of the PPC deal is that the piece they attach is hardened, supposedly much harder than the stock rod. That said, I can’t see why a regular 18mm heim wouldn’t work just fine with the stock rod. The rod might have to be sanded to ensure smooth operation.
Mike
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On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:56, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
The PPC heim joint used to require one sending in the shaft for machining to an SAE heim bore size, not sure if that is still the case, which never made any sense to me as suitable metric heim (rod end) joints are readily available for less than that PI billet version!
I'd have to measure the shaft again, but it's 18 or 19mm diameter if I recall correctly.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:36 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
References
1. [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html
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Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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I'm pretty sure Dennis uses a 5/8" SAE heim joint which is equivalent to 15.8mm metric on the shank. My GT5 has been converted to Dennis' setup so I can measure over the weekend. I know a few folks using an IGUS Karm-18 composite 18mm heim joint without any issues and it's an 18 x 1.5 threaded shank. One can also take an old stock trunnion and machine it to take an 18mm spherical bearing. Julian ________________________________ From: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 9:20 PM To: 'Mike Drew' <mikeldrew@aol.com> Cc: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; 'Detomaso' <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Yes - that's what I'm saying but Heim joints with the stud smaller than the bore don't seem to be available (either in SAE or metric). Maybe PPC custom ordered the Heim joint they're using. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 8:17 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Doug, Interesting. So are you saying the SAE heim joint that is nominally 18mm has a smaller threaded shank? I think a call to Pantera Performance is in order…. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 18:13, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike & Julian,
18mm metric heim joints are available (I bought one years ago and tried to use it) The problem is that the heim’s threaded stud is also 18mm which is way larger than the 16mm thread size of the stock trunnion. The wrench size for the stock trunnion nuts is 24mm but the 18mm heim’s nuts need a 27mm wrench. That large of a nut won’t fit into the underside of the frame pedestal the trunnion mounts on.
Doug
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 5:54 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Julian,
You’re right, it’s 18mm.
Part of the PPC deal is that the piece they attach is hardened, supposedly much harder than the stock rod. That said, I can’t see why a regular 18mm heim wouldn’t work just fine with the stock rod. The rod might have to be sanded to ensure smooth operation.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:56, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
The PPC heim joint used to require one sending in the shaft for machining to an SAE heim bore size, not sure if that is still the case, which never made any sense to me as suitable metric heim (rod end) joints are readily available for less than that PI billet version!
I'd have to measure the shaft again, but it's 18 or 19mm diameter if I recall correctly.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:36 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
References
1. [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html
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Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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On Jun 20, 2025, at 18:13, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike & Julian,
18mm metric heim joints are available (I bought one years ago and tried to use it) The problem is that the heim’s threaded stud is also 18mm which is way larger than the 16mm thread size of the stock
The wrench size for the stock trunnion nuts is 24mm but the 18mm heim’s nuts need a 27mm wrench. That large of a nut won’t fit into the underside of the frame
I'm pretty sure Dennis uses a 5/8" SAE heim joint which is equivalent to 15.8mm metric on the shank. My GT5 has been converted to Dennis' setup so I can measure over the weekend. I know a few folks using an IGUS Karm-18 composite 18mm heim joint without any issues and it's an 18 x 1.5 threaded shank. One can also take an old stock trunnion and machine it to take an 18mm spherical bearing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 9:20 PM To: 'Mike Drew' <mikeldrew@aol.com> Cc: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; 'Detomaso' <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Yes - that's what I'm saying but Heim joints with the stud smaller than the bore don't seem to be available (either in SAE or metric). Maybe PPC custom ordered the Heim joint they're using. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 8:17 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Doug, Interesting. So are you saying the SAE heim joint that is nominally 18mm has a smaller threaded shank? I think a call to Pantera Performance is in order…. Mike Sent from my iPad trunnion. pedestal the trunnion mounts on.
Doug
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 5:54 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Julian,
You’re right, it’s 18mm.
Part of the PPC deal is that the piece they attach is hardened,
supposedly much harder than the stock rod. That said, I can’t see why a regular 18mm heim wouldn’t work just fine with the stock rod. The rod might have to be sanded to ensure smooth operation.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:56, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The PPC heim joint used to require one sending in the shaft for machining to an SAE heim bore size, not sure if that is still the case, which never made any sense to me as suitable metric heim (rod end) joints are readily available for less than that PI billet
version!
I'd have to measure the shaft again, but it's 18 or 19mm diameter
if
I recall correctly.
Julian
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:36 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports
appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
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I got a 20 mm (iirc) ball end and had a teflon bushing machined to fit the rod. I cut the threaded part off and welded it to a suitable bolt. Has been working great for 20+ years.
21 juni 2025 kl. 06:55 skrev Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>:
I'm pretty sure Dennis uses a 5/8" SAE heim joint which is equivalent to 15.8mm metric on the shank. My GT5 has been converted to Dennis' setup so I can measure over the weekend.
I know a few folks using an IGUS Karm-18 composite 18mm heim joint without any issues and it's an 18 x 1.5 threaded shank. One can also take an old stock trunnion and machine it to take an 18mm spherical bearing.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 9:20 PM To: 'Mike Drew' <mikeldrew@aol.com> Cc: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; 'Detomaso' <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
On Jun 20, 2025, at 18:13, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike & Julian,
18mm metric heim joints are available (I bought one years ago and tried to use it) The problem is that the heim’s threaded stud is also 18mm which is way larger than the 16mm thread size of the stock
The wrench size for the stock trunnion nuts is 24mm but the 18mm heim’s nuts need a 27mm wrench. That large of a nut won’t fit into the underside of the frame
Yes - that's what I'm saying but Heim joints with the stud smaller than the bore don't seem to be available (either in SAE or metric). Maybe PPC custom ordered the Heim joint they're using. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 8:17 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Doug, Interesting. So are you saying the SAE heim joint that is nominally 18mm has a smaller threaded shank? I think a call to Pantera Performance is in order…. Mike Sent from my iPad trunnion. pedestal the trunnion mounts on.
Doug
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 5:54 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Julian,
You’re right, it’s 18mm.
Part of the PPC deal is that the piece they attach is hardened,
supposedly much harder than the stock rod. That said, I can’t see why a regular 18mm heim wouldn’t work just fine with the stock rod. The rod might have to be sanded to ensure smooth operation.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:56, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The PPC heim joint used to require one sending in the shaft for machining to an SAE heim bore size, not sure if that is still the case, which never made any sense to me as suitable metric heim (rod end) joints are readily available for less than that PI billet
version!
I'd have to measure the shaft again, but it's 18 or 19mm diameter
if
I recall correctly.
Julian
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:36 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports
appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
References
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When I got mine from Dennis a very long time ago it came with a shaft. I’m guessing that took care of matching diameters and surface conditions perfectly. Richard Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 20, 2025, at 23:54, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm pretty sure Dennis uses a 5/8" SAE heim joint which is equivalent to 15.8mm metric on the shank. My GT5 has been converted to Dennis' setup so I can measure over the weekend.
I know a few folks using an IGUS Karm-18 composite 18mm heim joint without any issues and it's an 18 x 1.5 threaded shank. One can also take an old stock trunnion and machine it to take an 18mm spherical bearing.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 9:20 PM To: 'Mike Drew' <mikeldrew@aol.com> Cc: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; 'Detomaso' <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
On Jun 20, 2025, at 18:13, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike & Julian,
18mm metric heim joints are available (I bought one years ago and tried to use it) The problem is that the heim’s threaded stud is also 18mm which is way larger than the 16mm thread size of the stock
The wrench size for the stock trunnion nuts is 24mm but the 18mm heim’s nuts need a 27mm wrench. That large of a nut won’t fit into the underside of the frame
Yes - that's what I'm saying but Heim joints with the stud smaller than the bore don't seem to be available (either in SAE or metric). Maybe PPC custom ordered the Heim joint they're using. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 8:17 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Doug, Interesting. So are you saying the SAE heim joint that is nominally 18mm has a smaller threaded shank? I think a call to Pantera Performance is in order…. Mike Sent from my iPad trunnion. pedestal the trunnion mounts on.
Doug
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 5:54 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com>; Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Julian,
You’re right, it’s 18mm.
Part of the PPC deal is that the piece they attach is hardened,
supposedly much harder than the stock rod. That said, I can’t see why a regular 18mm heim wouldn’t work just fine with the stock rod. The rod might have to be sanded to ensure smooth operation.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:56, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The PPC heim joint used to require one sending in the shaft for machining to an SAE heim bore size, not sure if that is still the case, which never made any sense to me as suitable metric heim (rod end) joints are readily available for less than that PI billet
version!
I'd have to measure the shaft again, but it's 18 or 19mm diameter
if
I recall correctly.
Julian
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2025 4:36 PM To: Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> Cc: Detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Doug, Hall Pantera has sold a variation of this for decades. The stock one allows for misalignment, while the bling style you have is notably less tolerant. Elevation has to be very precise to prevent binding. The heim joint version sold by Pantera Performance Center is infinitely superior, and substantially more expensive. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2025, at 16:12, Doug Braun <doug351c@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports
appears on this page of their website about half way down
I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid.
Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item?
Doug Braun
References
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I swapped this bushing out many years ago with one of the aftermarket ones. I did not like it and put back in the stock one. I found that if you keep in greased the stock one worked just fine for me. In a message dated 6/20/2025 6:12:19 PM Central Daylight Time, doug351c@gmail.com writes: I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid. Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item? Doug Braun References 1. https://pim.net/tpage.html Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I swapped this bushing out many years ago with one of the aftermarket ones. I did not like it and put back in the stock one. I found that if you keep in greased the stock one worked just fine for me. In a message dated 6/20/2025 6:12:19 PM Central Daylight Time, doug351c@gmail.com writes: I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid. Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item? Doug Braun References 1. [1]https://pim.net/tpage.html Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://pim.net/tpage.html 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
Wasn't the reason for a rubber trunion bushing from the factory to allow for some flex due to vibrations (motor/transaxle), frame etc? Seems a solid bushing would not allow any give for normal day to day street driving. ________________________________ From: JOHN NEAL via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2025 7:55 AM To: doug351c@gmail.com <doug351c@gmail.com>; detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing I swapped this bushing out many years ago with one of the aftermarket ones. I did not like it and put back in the stock one. I found that if you keep in greased the stock one worked just fine for me. In a message dated 6/20/2025 6:12:19 PM Central Daylight Time, doug351c@gmail.com writes: I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim.net%2Ftpage.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cdef41873013c4d503c6d08ddb2660536%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638862873417537389%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P5%2B3J3x329y2KHmtTiukqGkQcBdxsG61yWi%2B7gUCI8s%3D&reserved=0 I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid. Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item? 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Wasn't the reason for a rubber trunion bushing from the factory to allow for some flex due to vibrations (motor/transaxle), frame etc? Seems a solid bushing would not allow any give for normal day to day street driving. __________________________________________________________________ From: JOHN NEAL via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2025 7:55 AM To: doug351c@gmail.com <doug351c@gmail.com>; detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing I swapped this bushing out many years ago with one of the aftermarket ones. I did not like it and put back in the stock one. I found that if you keep in greased the stock one worked just fine for me. In a message dated 6/20/2025 6:12:19 PM Central Daylight Time, doug351c@gmail.com writes: I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim .net%2Ftpage.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cdef41873013c4d503c6d08ddb2660536%7C 84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638862873417537389%7CUnknown %7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4z MiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P5%2B3J3x329y2K HmtTiukqGkQcBdxsG61yWi%2B7gUCI8s%3D&reserved=0 I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid. Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item? Doug Braun References 1. 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I can only answer for Dennis Quella's hiem joint solution--it works perfectly and has on my car since I believe the 80's. No issues with anything, including vibration. Shifts are smooth and positive, no more slop like the OE trunnion provided after a few years. I wondered if miles and time would degrade performance due to debris and oxidation, but that hasn't happened. Richard Austin, TX -----Original Message----- From: Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2025 1:46 PM To: doug351c@gmail.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com>; List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Wasn't the reason for a rubber trunion bushing from the factory to allow for some flex due to vibrations (motor/transaxle), frame etc? Seems a solid bushing would not allow any give for normal day to day street driving. ________________________________ From: JOHN NEAL via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2025 7:55 AM To: doug351c@gmail.com <doug351c@gmail.com>; detomaso@detomasolist.com <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing I swapped this bushing out many years ago with one of the aftermarket ones. I did not like it and put back in the stock one. I found that if you keep in greased the stock one worked just fine for me. In a message dated 6/20/2025 6:12:19 PM Central Daylight Time, doug351c@gmail.com writes: I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim.net% 2Ftpage.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cdef41873013c4d503c6d08ddb2660536%7C84df9e7fe9 f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638862873417537389%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8 eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIs IldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P5%2B3J3x329y2KHmtTiukqGkQcBdxsG61yWi%2B 7gUCI8s%3D&reserved=0 I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid. Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item? Doug Braun References 1. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim.net%2Ft page.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cdef41873013c4d503c6d08ddb2660536%7C84df9e7fe9f64 0afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638862873417560766%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ FbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIld UIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KAIdNI5OGZv6vqlTEjpijaXlEiKKfo4GhDnIzYvNhrA %3D&reserved=0<https://pim.net/tpage.html> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detom asolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cdef41873013c4d 503c6d08ddb2660536%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638862873417 577312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsI lAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ngqB64tSU FQ6FhaBX%2F%2FvGUO89WhRcRD%2F5OpfGjeC32U%3D&reserved=0<http://server.detomas olist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
I have Quella's solution too. Works perfectly. -- On 6/23/25, 2:52 PM, "Richard Greenblum" <Richard@richardgreenblum.com <mailto:Richard@richardgreenblum.com>> wrote: I can only answer for Dennis Quella's hiem joint solution--it works perfectly and has on my car since I believe the 80's. No issues with anything, including vibration. Shifts are smooth and positive, no more slop like the OE trunnion provided after a few years. I wondered if miles and time would degrade performance due to debris and oxidation, but that hasn't happened. Richard Austin, TX -----Original Message----- From: Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com <mailto:reillyms@live.com>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2025 1:46 PM To: doug351c@gmail.com <mailto:doug351c@gmail.com>; detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com <mailto:jrnealjr@aol.com>>; List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing Wasn't the reason for a rubber trunion bushing from the factory to allow for some flex due to vibrations (motor/transaxle), frame etc? Seems a solid bushing would not allow any give for normal day to day street driving. ________________________________ From: JOHN NEAL via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2025 7:55 AM To: doug351c@gmail.com <mailto:doug351c@gmail.com> <doug351c@gmail.com <mailto:doug351c@gmail.com>>; detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing I swapped this bushing out many years ago with one of the aftermarket ones. I did not like it and put back in the stock one. I found that if you keep in greased the stock one worked just fine for me. In a message dated 6/20/2025 6:12:19 PM Central Daylight Time, doug351c@gmail.com <mailto:doug351c@gmail.com> writes: I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim.net% <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim.net%> 2Ftpage.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cdef41873013c4d503c6d08ddb2660536%7C84df9e7fe9 f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638862873417537389%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8 eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIs IldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P5%2B3J3x329y2KHmtTiukqGkQcBdxsG61yWi%2B 7gUCI8s%3D&reserved=0 I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid. Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item? 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On Jun 23, 2025, at 2:37 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
I have Quella's solution too. Works perfectly.
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On 6/23/25, 2:52 PM, "Richard Greenblum" <Richard@richardgreenblum.com <mailto:Richard@richardgreenblum.com>> wrote:
I can only answer for Dennis Quella's hiem joint solution--it works perfectly and has on my car since I believe the 80's. No issues with anything, including vibration. Shifts are smooth and positive, no more slop like the OE trunnion provided after a few years. I wondered if miles and time would degrade performance due to debris and oxidation, but that hasn't happened.
Richard Austin, TX
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com <mailto:reillyms@live.com>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2025 1:46 PM To: doug351c@gmail.com <mailto:doug351c@gmail.com>; detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com <mailto:jrnealjr@aol.com>>; List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
Wasn't the reason for a rubber trunion bushing from the factory to allow for some flex due to vibrations (motor/transaxle), frame etc? Seems a solid bushing would not allow any give for normal day to day street driving. ________________________________ From: JOHN NEAL via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2025 7:55 AM To: doug351c@gmail.com <mailto:doug351c@gmail.com> <doug351c@gmail.com <mailto:doug351c@gmail.com>>; detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Shift Linkage Trunion Bushing
I swapped this bushing out many years ago with one of the aftermarket ones. I did not like it and put back in the stock one. I found that if you keep in greased the stock one worked just fine for me.
In a message dated 6/20/2025 6:12:19 PM Central Daylight Time, doug351c@gmail.com <mailto:doug351c@gmail.com> writes: I just bought a Billet Trunnion Bushing from PI Motorsports which appears on this page of their website about half way down [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim.net% <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim.net%> 2Ftpage.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cdef41873013c4d503c6d08ddb2660536%7C84df9e7fe9 f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638862873417537389%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8 eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIs IldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=P5%2B3J3x329y2KHmtTiukqGkQcBdxsG61yWi%2B 7gUCI8s%3D&reserved=0 I mistakenly assumed that the poly bushing in it has some misalignment capability (i.e. a spherical bushing) but alas, no, it is pressed into the aluminum and rigid. Has anyone had good or bad experiences using this item? Doug Braun References 1. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim.net%2Ft <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpim.net%2Ft> page.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cdef41873013c4d503c6d08ddb2660536%7C84df9e7fe9f64 0afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638862873417560766%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ FbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIld UIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KAIdNI5OGZv6vqlTEjpijaXlEiKKfo4GhDnIzYvNhrA %3D&reserved=0<https://pim.net/tpage.html> <https://pim.net/tpage.html>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detom <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detom> asolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cdef41873013c4d 503c6d08ddb2660536%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638862873417 577312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsI lAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ngqB64tSU FQ6FhaBX%2F%2FvGUO89WhRcRD%2F5OpfGjeC32U%3D&reserved=0<http://server.detomas <http://server.detomas> olist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
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