Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 253, Issue 1

Mine years ago, 3180# me in the drivers seat, alluminum intake, headers, cast iron heads. My weight 185# Mackinaw Grain scales! George Scott On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 08:29:39 AM CDT, <detomaso-request@detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso@detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request@detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner@detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 252, Issue 25 (Mike Drew) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 15:26:34 +0200 From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew@aol.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 252, Issue 25 To: Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> Cc: Lee Davis <davisbmw1@aol.com>, detomaso@detomasolist.com Message-ID: <574357DB-091C-4445-B330-FE3E800546B3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ben, My 1972 Pre-L with no A/C, aluminum heads and intake, and 8/10-inch factory wheels was something like 3050lbs on an agricultural scale. I also corner-weighted it but don’t remember offhand what those figures were. Mike Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2025, at 14:40, Ben Roper <ben_roper@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good morning everyone, out of curiosity have any of you weighed your own personal cars? Googling curb weights is one thing but I’d like to see some real world information on weight of these cars without any weight reduction.
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On Jun 29, 2025, at 8:33 AM, Lee Davis via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
Did you get the image I sent of the bumpers?
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On Friday, June 27, 2025, 7:26 AM, Mike Drew <mikeldrew@aol.com> wrote:
Sorry, stupid autocorrect!
If they are long with NO TURN signal housings….
Mike
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On Jun 27, 2025, at 14:11, Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew@aol.com> wrote:
Lee,
It’s easy to tell. If they are long with motors signal housings they are rear.
Are the inner corners square or rounded?
Mike
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On Jun 27, 2025, at 13:58, Lee Davis via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
Morning,
Definitely pre-L bumperetts.
Only two, but can’t tell if they are front or rear🤪!
Thanks,
Lee
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wrote:
Lee,
Are you talking about a pair of L-model bumpers (front and rear) or
Pre-L bumperettes? If the latter, do you have front or rear? Or both?
Mike
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Hello,
I have a set of bumpers for a’’72 if anyone is interested.
Thanks
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1. Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking (Ben Roper)
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 16:04:25 -0700
From: Ben Roper <[5]ben_roper@yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking
To: Will Kooiman <[6]will.kooiman@gmail.com>
Cc: Garth Rodericks <[7]garth_rodericks@yahoo.com>,
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I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues. The
starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when it’s
cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked and
hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets?
And
if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera
specific?
This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter off
the
shelf.
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> On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman
<[10]will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard
braking.
Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll
never
forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
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On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso"
<[11]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>
wrote:
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from flowing
out
your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to the
front bowl under hard braking.
Inline image
I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See
examples in these threads...
It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too.
Or, order one.
[4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu
<[15]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-
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3. Re: New member (Larry Stock)
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 06:34:30 -0700
From: Ben Roper <[8]ben_roper@yahoo.com
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
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Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the
drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to
try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what
I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly
then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled
the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far
and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system
is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last
long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the
AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon
in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a
hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit
of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa
has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful
for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting
this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their
shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking. If
I
stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a
vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to
tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What
can
I
do to mitigate or test this?
Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
> <[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
> brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
> SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/
<[18]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
> kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
> Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
> parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
> to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
> which works like a champ!
> Have fun with the Pantera!!!
>
> Get [2]Outlook for iOS
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
>
> Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
> Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
> the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
> approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
> hasn’t been approved?
>
> I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
> of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
> upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
> in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200
From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
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It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a
and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
>> 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
> <[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
>
> Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
>
> Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with
Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the
drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to
try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what
I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly
then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled
the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far
and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
>
> However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system
is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last
long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the
AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon
in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a
hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit
of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa
has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful
for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting
this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their
shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
>
> On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking.
If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I
did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to
tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What
can
I
do to mitigate or test this?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
>> brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott
Bell
at
>> SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/
<[24]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
>> kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step
instructions.
>> Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
>> parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
>> to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
>> which works like a champ!
>> Have fun with the Pantera!!!
>>
>> Get [2]Outlook for iOS
>>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM
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>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
>>
>> Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a
‘74
>> Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
>> the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
>> approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
>> hasn’t been approved?
>>
>> I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
>> of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
>> upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
>> in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700
From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben
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Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil:
All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that
needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some residual
cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a few
weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react
with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the
Evaporator filter.
O-Ring vs Flare Fittings:
All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare
fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete
to
the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work
with.
The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time. I
just
had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to have
them
make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare fitting
adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare
style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings for
all
the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time.
Larry Stock
Pantera Parts Connection
On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se
<mailto:thomas@hax.se>
<mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote:
It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a
and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
>> 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
> <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
>
> Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
>
> Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with
Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the
drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to
try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what
I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly
then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power cycled
the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off engine a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far
and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
>
> However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system
is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last
long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including the
AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by what I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon
in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a
hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit
of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa
has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very thankful
for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in getting
this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their
shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to come.
>
> On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard braking.
If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I
did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to
tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What
can
I
do to mitigate or test this?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[46]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
>> brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott
Bell
at
>> SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/
<[32]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s
>> kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step
instructions.
>> Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
>> parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
>> to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
>> which works like a champ!
>> Have fun with the Pantera!!!
>>
>> Get [2]Outlook for iOS
>> __________________________________________________________________
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>> From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[48]detomaso@detomasolist.com
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>> Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a
‘74
>> Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
>> the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
>> approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
>> hasn’t been approved?
>>
>> I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
>> of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
>> upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a better
bite
>> in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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On Jul 2, 2025, at 14:40, Ben Roper <[9]ben_roper@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good morning everyone, out of curiosity have any of you weighed your own personal cars? Googling curb weights is one thing but I’d like to see some real world information on weight of these cars without any weight reduction.
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On Jun 29, 2025, at 8:33 AM, Lee Davis via DeTomaso <[10]detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
Did you get the image I sent of the bumpers?
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On Friday, June 27, 2025, 7:26 AM, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew@aol.com> wrote:
Sorry, stupid autocorrect!
If they are long with NO TURN signal housings….
Mike
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On Jun 27, 2025, at 14:11, Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew@aol.com> wrote:
Lee,
It’s easy to tell. If they are long with motors signal housings
------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@detomasolist.com Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 253, Issue 1 **************************************** Mine years ago, 3180# me in the drivers seat, alluminum intake, headers, cast iron heads. My weight 185# Mackinaw Grain scales! George Scott On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 08:29:39 AM CDT, <detomaso-request@detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [1]detomaso@detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [2]detomaso-request@detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [3]detomaso-owner@detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 252, Issue 25 (Mike Drew) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 15:26:34 +0200 From: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew@aol.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 252, Issue 25 To: Ben Roper <[5]ben_roper@yahoo.com> Cc: Lee Davis <[6]davisbmw1@aol.com>, [7]detomaso@detomasolist.com Message-ID: <[8]574357DB-091C-4445-B330-FE3E800546B3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ben, My 1972 Pre-L with no A/C, aluminum heads and intake, and 8/10-inch factory wheels was something like 3050lbs on an agricultural scale. I also corner-weighted it but don’t remember offhand what those figures were. Mike Sent from my iPhone they
are rear.
Are the inner corners square or rounded?
Mike
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On Jun 27, 2025, at 13:58, Lee Davis via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
Morning,
Definitely pre-L bumperetts.
Only two, but can’t tell if they are front or rear🤪!
Thanks,
Lee
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wrote:
Lee,
Are you talking about a pair of L-model bumpers (front and rear) or
Pre-L bumperettes? If the latter, do you have front or rear? Or both?
Mike
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Hello,
I have a set of bumpers for a’’72 if anyone is interested.
Thanks
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: New Member - engine dies under hard braking (Ben Roper)
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 16:04:25 -0700
From: Ben Roper <[5]ben_roper@yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard
braking
To: Will Kooiman <[6]will.kooiman@gmail.com>
Cc: Garth Rodericks <[7]garth_rodericks@yahoo.com>,
[8]detomaso@detomasolist.com
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I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues.
The
starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when
it’s
cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked
and
hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets?
And
if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera
specific?
This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter
off
the
shelf.
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> On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman
<[10]will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard
braking.
Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll
never
forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
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On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso"
<[11]detomaso@detomasolist.com
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wrote:
Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from
flowing
out
your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to
the
front bowl under hard braking.
Inline image
I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See
examples in these threads...
It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too.
Or, order one.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: New member (Ben Roper)
2. Re: New member (Thomas Törnblom)
3. Re: New member (Larry Stock)
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 06:34:30 -0700
From: Ben Roper <[8]ben_roper@yahoo.com
<mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Scott Mead <[9]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
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Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the
compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the
drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to
try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what
I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly
then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the
jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power
cycled
the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off
a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far
and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system
is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last
long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including
engine the
AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by
I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon
in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a
hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit
of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa
has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very
what thankful
for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in
getting
this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a
high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their
shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to
come.
On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard
If
I
stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a
vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to
tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What
can
I
do to mitigate or test this?
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>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
> <[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
> brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
at
> SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/
<[18]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
> kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
> Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
> parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
pain
> to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
> which works like a champ!
> Have fun with the Pantera!!!
>
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> From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso@detomasolist.com
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> Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
> Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
joining
> the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
> approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
> hasn’t been approved?
>
> I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on
braking. the
verge
> of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
> upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a
better
bite
> in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200
From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
Cc: [24]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>
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It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a
and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
>> 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
> <[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
>
> Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct
manner.
>
> Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with
Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the
compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the
drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to
try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what
I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly
then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the
jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power
cycled
the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off
a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far
and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
>
> However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system
is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last
long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including
engine the
AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by
I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon
in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a
hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit
of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa
has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very
what thankful
for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in
getting
this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a
high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their
shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to
come.
>
> On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard
braking.
If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die.
I
did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes
it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read
some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to
tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing.
What
can
I
do to mitigate or test this?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
>> brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott
Bell
at
>> SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/
<[24]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
>> kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step
instructions.
>> Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
>> parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can
be
a
pain
>> to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
>> which works like a champ!
>> Have fun with the Pantera!!!
>>
>> Get [2]Outlook for iOS
>>
>>
>> From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[28]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM
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<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
>>
>> Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a
‘74
>> Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I
tried
joining
>> the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
>> approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it
still
>> hasn’t been approved?
>>
>> I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
>> of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
>> upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a
better
bite
>> in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700
From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com
<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben
Roper
<[41]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
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Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil:
All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that
needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some
residual
cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a
few
weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react
with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the
Evaporator filter.
O-Ring vs Flare Fittings:
All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare
fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete
to
the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work
with.
The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time.
I
just
had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to
have
them
make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare
fitting
adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare
style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings
for
all
the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time.
Larry Stock
Pantera Parts Connection
On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se
<mailto:thomas@hax.se>
<mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote:
It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a
and
is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
>> 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
> <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
>
> Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct
manner.
>
> Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with
Larry
Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the
compressor
wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the
drivers
footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to
try
jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what
I
did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly
then
had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the
jumper
leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power
cycled
the
system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off
a
couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far
and
the AC is functioning perfectly.
>
> However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system
is
contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last
long.
Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including
engine the
AC
done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by
I
have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon
in
the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a
hard
time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit
of
wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa
has
been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very
what thankful
for
every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in
getting
this
car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a
high
dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their
shortcomings
and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to
come.
>
> On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard
braking.
If
I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die.
I
did
a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes
it
seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read
some
posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to
tune,
and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing.
What
can
I
do to mitigate or test this?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
<[46]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
Girling
>> brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott
Bell
at
>> SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/
<[32]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s
>> kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step
instructions.
>> Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
>> parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can
a
pain
>> to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
>> which works like a champ!
>> Have fun with the Pantera!!!
>>
>> Get [2]Outlook for iOS
>>
>>
>> From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[48]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM
>> To: [49]detomaso@detomasolist.com
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>>
>> Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a
‘74
>> Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I
be tried
joining
>> the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
administrator
>> approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it
still
>> hasn’t been approved?
>>
>> I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
verge
>> of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
>> upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a
better
bite
>> in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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7102 with aluminum intake and water pump, half a tank of fuel and me in the seat was 3300 on the local metal recyclers scale. Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2025, at 10:51 AM, George Scott via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
Mine years ago, 3180# me in the drivers seat, alluminum intake, headers, cast iron heads. My weight 185# Mackinaw Grain scales! George Scott
On Jul 2, 2025, at 14:40, Ben Roper <[9]ben_roper@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good morning everyone, out of curiosity have any of you weighed your own personal cars? Googling curb weights is one thing but I’d like to see some real world information on weight of these cars without any weight reduction.
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On Jun 29, 2025, at 8:33 AM, Lee Davis via DeTomaso <[10]detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
Did you get the image I sent of the bumpers?
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On Friday, June 27, 2025, 7:26 AM, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew@aol.com> wrote:
Sorry, stupid autocorrect!
If they are long with NO TURN signal housings….
Mike
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Lee,
It’s easy to tell. If they are long with motors signal housings
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are rear.
Are the inner corners square or rounded?
Mike
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Morning,
Definitely pre-L bumperetts.
Only two, but can’t tell if they are front or rear🤪!
Thanks,
Lee
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Lee,
Are you talking about a pair of L-model bumpers (front and rear) or
Pre-L bumperettes? If the latter, do you have front or rear? Or both?
Mike
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> On Jun 26, 2025, at 17:40, Lee Davis via DeTomaso
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Hello,
I have a set of bumpers for a’’72 if anyone is interested.
Thanks
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 16:04:25 -0700
From: Ben Roper <[5]ben_roper@yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New Member - engine dies under hard
braking
To: Will Kooiman <[6]will.kooiman@gmail.com>
Cc: Garth Rodericks <[7]garth_rodericks@yahoo.com>,
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I am also experiencing some severe heat soaked starter issues.
The
starter does not appear new by any means, it starts fine when
it’s
cold. However after a quick 5-10 minute drive it is heat soaked
and
hardly cranks. Has anyone had any success with the heat blankets?
And
if I need to order a new starter does it need to be Pantera
specific?
This car has a Windsor in it so I’d like to get a mini starter
off
the
shelf.
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>> On Jun 26, 2025, at 2:48 PM, Will Kooiman
> <[10]will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> When I tested mine, fuel was gushing out of the boosters under hard
braking.
>
> Leveling the carb and lowering the fuel in the bowls fixed it 100%.
>
> I know the common solution is the vent tubes, which is why I'll
never
forget the sight of fuel coming out of the boosters.
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> On 6/25/25, 7:48 PM, "Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso"
<[11]detomaso@detomasolist.com
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>
>
> Install a one-piece vent tube. This will prevent fuel from
flowing
out
> your vent tube and flooding the carb. Instead, it will flow to
the
> front bowl under hard braking.
> Inline image
> I had the same problem and made my own vent tube for my Pantera. See
> examples in these threads...
> It's a popular mod for the off-road/Bronco crowd too.
> Or, order one.
>
[4]https://www.figspeed.com/carburetors-accessories/accessories/vent-tu
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> Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct manner.
> Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with Larry
> Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the
compressor
> wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
> happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the
drivers
> footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to
try
> jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what
I
> did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly
then
> had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the
jumper
> leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power
cycled
the
> system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off
a
> couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far
and
> the AC is functioning perfectly.
> However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system
is
> contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last
long.
> Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
> dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including
engine the
AC
> done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by
I
> have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon
in
> the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
> everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a
hard
> time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
> Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit
of
> wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa
has
> been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very
what thankful
for
> every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in
getting
this
> car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
> It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a
high
> dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
> spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their
shortcomings
> and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to
come.
> On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard
If
I
> stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die. I did
a
> vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
> didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
> vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
> carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
> lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes it
> seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read some
> posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to
tune,
> and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
> contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing. What
can
I
> do to mitigate or test this?
> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
>> <[12]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
> Girling
>> brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott Bell
> at
>> SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/
<[18]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
>> kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step instructions.
>> Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
>> parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can be a
> pain
>> to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
>> which works like a champ!
>> Have fun with the Pantera!!!
>>
>> Get [2]Outlook for iOS
>>
>>
>> From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM
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<[15]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
>>
>> Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a ‘74
>> Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I tried
> joining
>> the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
> administrator
>> approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it still
>> hasn’t been approved?
>>
>> I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on
braking. the
> verge
>> of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
>> upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a
better
> bite
>> in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:22:26 +0200
> From: Thomas Törnblom <[22]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
> To: Ben Roper <[23]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
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> It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
> converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a
and
> is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
>>> 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
>> <[26]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>:
>>
>> Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct
manner.
>>
>> Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with
Larry
> Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the
compressor
> wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
> happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the
drivers
> footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to
try
> jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what
I
> did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly
then
> had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the
jumper
> leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power
cycled
the
> system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off
a
> couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far
and
> the AC is functioning perfectly.
>>
>> However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system
is
> contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last
long.
> Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
> dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including
engine the
AC
> done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by
I
> have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon
in
> the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
> everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a
hard
> time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
> Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit
of
> wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa
has
> been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very
what thankful
for
> every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in
getting
this
> car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
> It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a
high
> dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
> spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their
shortcomings
> and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to
come.
>>
>> On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard
braking.
If
> I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die.
I
did
> a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
> didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
> vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
> carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
> lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes
it
> seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read
some
> posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to
tune,
> and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
> contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing.
What
can
I
> do to mitigate or test this?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
> <[27]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
> Girling
>>> brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott
Bell
> at
>>> SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/
<[24]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>). Scott’s
>>> kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step
instructions.
>>> Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
> dedicated
>>> parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can
be
a
> pain
>>> to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
>>> which works like a champ!
>>> Have fun with the Pantera!!!
>>>
>>> Get [2]Outlook for iOS
>>>
>
>>>
>>> From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[28]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM
>>> To: [29]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <[30]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a
‘74
>>> Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I
tried
> joining
>>> the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
> administrator
>>> approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it
still
>>> hasn’t been approved?
>>>
>>> I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
> verge
>>> of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
>>> upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a
better
> bite
>>> in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:44:30 -0700
> From: Larry Stock <[39]larrys@panteraparts.com
<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: New member
> To: Thomas Törnblom <[40]thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>, Ben
Roper
> <[41]ben_roper@yahoo.com <mailto:ben_roper@yahoo.com>>
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> Ester Oil, PAG Oil, & Mineral Oil:
> All the new compressors come with some sort of PAG oil in them that
> needs to be flushed out and changed to Ester oil for some
residual
> cross compatibility with the original R12 mineral oil. After a
few
> weeks of running the Pantera A/C system, the mineral oil will react
> with the PAG oil forming little gelatinous globs that will block the
> Evaporator filter.
> O-Ring vs Flare Fittings:
> All the AC shops seem to have lost the art of working with flare
> fittings on older A/C systems. Flare Fittings are becoming obsolete
to
> the newer O-Ring fittings. The O-Rings are much simpler to work
with.
> The Flare fittings, once properly sealed will last a life time.
I
just
> had to order 40 Sandon SD-5 compressors as a minimum order to
have
them
> make these with Flare fittings and not use O-Ring to Flare
fitting
> adaptors. I am also having supply issues for all the different flare
> style hose ends to find matching hose ends with flare fittings
for
all
> the combinations we assemble in the quantities we make up at a time.
> Larry Stock
> Pantera Parts Connection
> On 6/25/25, 7:22 AM, "Thomas Törnblom" <[44]thomas@hax.se
<mailto:thomas@hax.se>
> <mailto:thomas@hax.se <mailto:thomas@hax.se>>> wrote:
> It depends on what type of compressor oil they filled, if they have
> converted to R134a. Ester oil is compatible with both R12 and R134a
and
> is what they used when converting my system 20+ years ago.
>>> 25 juni 2025 kl. 15:36 skrev Ben Roper via DeTomaso
>> <[45]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>:
>>
>> Still new here so I’m hopefully replying in the correct
manner.
>>
>> Wanted to give an update on my AC debacle, after speaking with
Larry
> Stock yesterday I wanted to get another eyeball on the
compressor
> wiring and decided to try something maybe not so intelligent but I’m
> happy to report that it worked out. Being that the relay in the
drivers
> footwell was receiving power but the compressor wasn’t, I wanted to
try
> jumping the connection with alligator leads. And that’s exactly what
I
> did, followed by a satisfying click of the compressor. I quickly
then
> had cool air coming from the vents. I then disconnected the
jumper
> leads and allowed the car to function as it should. I power
cycled
the
> system several times, via key on/off, started and shut off
a
> couple times. Then drove the car around and all seems well thus far
and
> the AC is functioning perfectly.
>>
>> However Larry did bring up a rather scary point that if the system
is
> contaminated with oil from the factory r12 setup it may not last
long.
> Let’s hope that isn’t the case because I do not want to pull the
> dashboard out of the car. This car had a ton of work including
engine the
AC
> done at Prestige Motorsports and I am less than impressed by
I
> have seen so far. They gave the car back to the owner without Freon
in
> the system, let alone function testing any of it. After updating
> everything with new lines, condenser and compressor I’m having a
hard
> time understanding why a business would do something so idiotic. Asa
> Jay also had this car at one point and he has had to do quite a bit
of
> wrenching to clean up the mess those guys made with this car. Asa
has
> been a pivotal source of information for me and I am very
what thankful
for
> every bit of help he has given me, he’s been a godsend in
getting
this
> car dialed into what it deserves to be. So thank you Asa, genuinely.
> It’s really disgusting what those people at Prestige did to a
high
> dollar paying customer (owner of the car). I’m hoping to be able to
> spend a lot of time tidying things up fixing all of their
shortcomings
> and keeping this beautiful car on the road for many years to
come.
>>
>> On that note, I am having a very strange issue with hard
braking.
If
> I stab the brakes hard, the car will idle way down and even die.
I
did
> a vacuum leak test around the carb and intake manifold yesterday and
> didn’t find anything. However the car is equipped with an auxiliary
> vacuum pump on the booster so vacuum shouldn’t (?) be an issue. The
> carb floats are set center line, but I have a hunch I still need to
> lower the rear float despite the carb having whistle vent tubes
it
> seems like fuel is flooding into the butterfly’s. I have read
some
> posts by Asa regarding the carb being a real pain in the ass to
tune,
> and the cam not hardly making any vacuum which are most likely
> contributing factors. But my hunch is that fuel is sloshing.
What
can
I
> do to mitigate or test this?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 11:04 AM, Scott Mead
> <[46]scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>
> <mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com
<mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Ben - welcome to the Pantera family! I replaced the stock
> Girling
>>> brakes on my ‘74 L with a complete Wilwood system from Scott
Bell
> at
>>> SACC Restorations ([1]https://www.saccrestorations.net/
<[32]https://www.saccrestorations.net/>>). Scott’s
>>> kits are thorough and come with complete step-by-step
instructions.
>>> Many of his brake kits retain the rear Girling calipers as
dedicated
>>> parking brake calipers. As the stock parking brake handle can
a
> pain
>>> to reach (and rather ineffective) I installed an E-Stopp actuator,
>>> which works like a champ!
>>> Have fun with the Pantera!!!
>>>
>>> Get [2]Outlook for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ben Roper via DeTomaso <[48]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>
> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:50:22 AM
>>> To: [49]detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>
> <[50]detomaso@detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>>>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New member
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, I am new here and recently in possession of a
‘74
>>> Pantera that I have been doing some work on for my FIL. I
be tried
> joining
>>> the PI forum several weeks ago, and have been waiting for
> administrator
>>> approval. Can anyone provide insight on that as to why it
still
>>> hasn’t been approved?
>>>
>>> I’m currently trying to diagnose an AC problem and I’m on the
> verge
>>> of getting figured out. I’m also interested In drive ability
>>> upgrades, possibly chassis bracing, and brake pads with a
better
> bite
>>> in on cold rotors for the aftermarket wilwoods on the car.
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