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I wonder if all the features of gyraline work if the body isn't sitting perfectly square on the axles. In other words, if the distance of a perpendicular line down from the fenders to the rims is different on both sides of the car (different offset on both sides of the car). On my, car there is a difference of a few millimetres. Thanks -- Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App Am 05.01.25, 04:48 schrieb detomaso-request@[1]detomasolist.com: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso@[2]detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request@[3]detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner@[4]detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 247, Issue 2 (Isaac Burr) 2. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 247, Issue 2 (Mike Drew) 3. suscribe (Alain GUERIN) 4. 2 Styles of 71-72 small rear chrome bumpers? (Ken Green) 5. Re: 2 Styles of 71-72 small rear chrome bumpers? (Mike Drew) -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2025 06:19:42 -0800 From: Isaac Burr <burrid1@netzero.net> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 247, Issue 2 To: detomaso@[5]detomasolist.com Message-ID: <60B07327-3AA6-4416-AB6A-54737FE80678@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:01 PM, detomaso-request@detomasolist.com wrote: > > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > detomaso@detomasolist.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > detomaso-request@detomasolist.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > detomaso-owner@detomasolist.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > > Daily Detomaso List Digest > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Wheel Alignment - Toe, Camber, Caster & Ackermann (Julian Kift) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 17:06:44 +0000 > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Wheel Alignment - Toe, Camber, Caster & Ackermann > To: Detomaso Email List <detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Message-ID: <PH8PR11MB697453FCCDCF919C792C851595152@PH8PR11MB6974.nam > prd11.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_PH8PR11MB697453 > FCCDCF919C792C851595152PH8PR11MB6974namp_" > > Not long ago there was a post by Mike Drew where he'd taken a mutual friends Pantera for an alignment after installing a rebuilt steering rack. The outcome was that the new-fangled commercial alignment machines that clamp onto the tire don't work on a Pantera due to the tire to fender clearance. Most of the new alignment systems I saw on display at SEMA were of a very similar design, so either the industry is not catering for sports cars or we'll be forced to find more 'specialist' shops at presumably higher prices as those shops have had to make a more significant investment in the equipment. > > The Gyraline system is new to market and I must admit I have not personally tried it yet, but seems intriguing with the simplicity of using our ever-complex smart phones. I have used inclination apps to setup equipment at work and they have worked well, so see no reason this new app-based alignment would not work and it isn't significantly different to a current camber gauge I own where it measures the difference when flipped 180 degrees, rather than relying on needing a true horizontal or vertical plane. > > The Gyraline phone holder looks a little cheesy and of 3D home printed quality, but that could be solved easily to incorporate a gauge that is adjustable across the full rim width for greater accuracy. I have string setups, a set of older toes gauges and a camber / caster gauge, but the simplicity of using one's phone to check alignment anywhere on the go is very attractive. I intend to get one and verify against my trusted method and see how accurate we can get. > > [6]https://gyraline.com/ > > Julian >
The Gyraline sits against the rims so is aligning wheel to wheel and there is no influence or impact from where the fender or body is in relation to the wheels. Julian
On Jan 4, 2025, at 23:29, Eugenio Innocenti via DeTomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> wrote:
I wonder if all the features of gyraline work if the body isn't sitting perfectly square on the axles. In other words, if the distance of a perpendicular line down from the fenders to the rims is different on both sides of the car (different offset on both sides of the car). On my, car there is a difference of a few millimetres. Thanks
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Not long ago there was a post by Mike Drew where he'd taken a mutual friends Pantera for an alignment after installing a rebuilt steering rack. The outcome was that the new-fangled commercial alignment machines that clamp onto the tire don't work on a Pantera due to the tire to fender clearance. Most of the new alignment systems I saw on display at SEMA were of a very similar design, so either the industry is not catering for sports cars or we'll be forced to find more 'specialist' shops at presumably higher prices as those shops have had to make a more significant investment in the equipment.
The Gyraline system is new to market and I must admit I have not personally tried it yet, but seems intriguing with the simplicity of using our ever-complex smart phones. I have used inclination apps to setup equipment at work and they have worked well, so see no reason this new app-based alignment would not work and it isn't significantly different to a current camber gauge I own where it measures the difference when flipped 180 degrees, rather than relying on needing a true horizontal or vertical plane.
The Gyraline phone holder looks a little cheesy and of 3D home printed quality, but that could be solved easily to incorporate a gauge that is adjustable across the full rim width for greater accuracy. I have string setups, a set of older toes gauges and a camber / caster gauge, but the simplicity of using one's phone to check alignment anywhere on the go is very attractive. I intend to get one and verify against my trusted method and see how accurate we can get.
Julian -------------- next part -------------- Not long ago there was a post by Mike Drew where he'd taken a mutual friends Pantera for an alignment after installing a rebuilt steering rack. The outcome was that the new-fangled commercial alignment machines that clamp onto the tire don't work on a Pantera due to the tire to fender clearance. Most of the new alignment systems I saw on display at SEMA were of a very similar design, so either the industry is not catering for sports cars or we'll be forced to find more 'specialist' shops at presumably higher prices as those shops have had to make a more significant investment in the equipment.
The Gyraline system is new to market and I must admit I have not personally tried it yet, but seems intriguing with the simplicity of using our ever-complex smart phones. I have used inclination apps to setup equipment at work and they have worked well, so see no reason this new app-based alignment would not work and it isn't significantly different to a current camber gauge I own where it measures the difference when flipped 180 degrees, rather than relying on needing a true horizontal or vertical plane.
The Gyraline phone holder looks a little cheesy and of 3D home printed quality, but that could be solved easily to incorporate a gauge that is adjustable across the full rim width for greater accuracy. I have string setups, a set of older toes gauges and a camber / caster gauge, but the simplicity of using one's phone to check alignment anywhere on the go is very attractive. I intend to get one and verify against my trusted method and see how accurate we can get.
[1][7]https://gyraline.com/
Julian
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1. [8]https://gyraline.com/
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Not long ago there was a post by Mike Drew where he'd taken a mutual friends Pantera for an alignment after installing a rebuilt steering rack. The outcome was that the new-fangled commercial alignment machines that clamp onto the tire don't work on a Pantera due to the tire to fender clearance. Most of the new alignment systems I saw on display at SEMA were of a very similar design, so either the industry is not catering for sports cars or we'll be forced to find more 'specialist' shops at presumably higher prices as those shops have had to make a more significant investment in the equipment.
The Gyraline system is new to market and I must admit I have not personally tried it yet, but seems intriguing with the simplicity of using our ever-complex smart phones. I have used inclination apps to setup equipment at work and they have worked well, so see no reason this new app-based alignment would not work and it isn't significantly different to a current camber gauge I own where it measures the difference when flipped 180 degrees, rather than relying on needing a true horizontal or vertical plane.
The Gyraline phone holder looks a little cheesy and of 3D home printed quality, but that could be solved easily to incorporate a gauge that is adjustable across the full rim width for greater accuracy. I have string setups, a set of older toes gauges and a camber / caster gauge, but the simplicity of using one's phone to check alignment anywhere on the go is very attractive. I intend to get one and verify against my trusted method and see how accurate we can get.
Julian -------------- next part -------------- Not long ago there was a post by Mike Drew where he'd taken a mutual friends Pantera for an alignment after installing a rebuilt steering rack. The outcome was that the new-fangled commercial alignment machines that clamp onto the tire don't work on a Pantera due to the tire to fender clearance. Most of the new alignment systems I saw on display at SEMA were of a very similar design, so either the industry is not catering for sports cars or we'll be forced to find more 'specialist' shops at presumably higher prices as those shops have had to make a more significant investment in the equipment.
The Gyraline system is new to market and I must admit I have not personally tried it yet, but seems intriguing with the simplicity of using our ever-complex smart phones. I have used inclination apps to setup equipment at work and they have worked well, so see no reason this new app-based alignment would not work and it isn't significantly different to a current camber gauge I own where it measures the difference when flipped 180 degrees, rather than relying on needing a true horizontal or vertical plane.
The Gyraline phone holder looks a little cheesy and of 3D home printed quality, but that could be solved easily to incorporate a gauge that is adjustable across the full rim width for greater accuracy. I have string setups, a set of older toes gauges and a camber / caster gauge, but the simplicity of using one's phone to check alignment anywhere on the go is very attractive. I intend to get one and verify against my trusted method and see how accurate we can get.
[1][11]https://gyraline.com/
Julian
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1. [12]https://gyraline.com/
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