July 2016 - DeTomaso - detomasolist.com

Anybody been to the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles?
by Rob Dumoulin 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved. It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved.

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NPC: Pressure washing paint and rust
by Larry - Ohio Time 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

Hi Guys I know there was someone here who did pressure washing paint/rust removal as a side job. Maybe from Florida? Please contact me as I have a few questions on the process. Larry (Mr Rusty) - Cleveland Hi Guys I know there was someone here who did pressure washing paint/rust removal as a side job. Maybe from Florida? Please contact me as I have a few questions on the process. Larry (Mr Rusty) - Cleveland

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Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
by Asa Jay Laughton 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

If possible, perhaps check all the weldments on the firewall, paying special attention to the engine access framework. It sounds to me like that area may be flexing for some reason. Note, I'm not an expert by any means, it just seems that something is allowing that area to flex and crack the window. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: >When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right >above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim >panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side "spider" >cracks deviating from it. I have no theories of how the glass was cracked >before I purchased the car. > >During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive >glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is >in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace >installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack >stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being >reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back >glass in. > >The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's >house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No >major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range. > >The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from >the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail >and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to >the top. > >My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no >charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I >put another one in and it breaks again. Is it possible that the car being >on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind >as it re-tweaked to its natural state? > > When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right > above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back > trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side > A "spider" cracks deviating from it.A I have no theories of how the > glass was cracked before I purchased the car. > During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of > automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by > a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear > cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car > was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the > wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new > windshield and back glass in. > The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim > Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the > install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH > range.A > The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard > from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side > frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point > of origin to the top. > My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace > it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it > before I put another one in and it breaks again.A Is it possible that > the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause > the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state? > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. If possible, perhaps check all the weldments on the firewall, paying special attention to the engine access framework. It sounds to me like that area may be flexing for some reason. Note, I'm not an expert by any means, it just seems that something is allowing that area to flex and crack the window. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side "spider" cracks deviating from it. I have no theories of how the glass was cracked before I purchased the car. During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back glass in. The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range. The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to the top. My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I put another one in and it breaks again. Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state? When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side A "spider" cracks deviating from it.A I have no theories of how the glass was cracked before I purchased the car. During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back glass in. The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range.A The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to the top. My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I put another one in and it breaks again.A Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Rear Window Cracked.....again
by Rob Dumoulin 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side "spider" cracks deviating from it. I have no theories of how the glass was cracked before I purchased the car. During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back glass in. The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range. The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to the top. My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I put another one in and it breaks again. Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state? When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side A "spider" cracks deviating from it.A I have no theories of how the glass was cracked before I purchased the car. During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back glass in. The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range.A The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to the top. My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I put another one in and it breaks again.A Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 145, Issue 29
by bfett＠sbcglobal.net 24 Jul '16

24 Jul '16

My take is board and president elected. If you do not want them vote them out next election. Club was spending to much money on printing and not doing anything to bring in new members and the conflict must stop get along until next election. I think next board meeting needs to be open for all members to listen to and hear the issues. Thank you > On Jul 24, 2016, at 11:00 AM, detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com wrote: > > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > > > Daily Detomaso List Digest > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Will Kooiman) > 2. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Michael Haney) > 3. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Jeff Detrich) > 4. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (James coyne) > 5. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Douglas Kelm) > 6. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (audionut(a)hushmail.com) > 7. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Mark Peterson) > 8. POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board of > Directors (Mark Pinson) > 9. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board > of Directors (Mike Thomas) > 10. Voted? (gonancy(a)juno.com) > 11. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Dave) > 12. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Dave) > 13. Re: Voted? (Ken Green) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:26:38 -0400 > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com> > To: Ken Green <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>, Charles Engles > <cengles(a)cox.net>, 'Ed Mendez' <edducati(a)mac.com>, 'Mike Reilly' > <reillyms(a)live.com> > Cc: "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > Message-ID: <D3B91EA2.279AD%will.kooiman(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > It isn?t about controlling the club. > > It takes a lot of guts to step forward to be president (or any board > position). It is often a thankless job, and you take a lot of crap for it > - even when you are right. > > MS just wants to improve the club. I?m impressed with his energy and most > of his ideas. I disagree with some, but that?s another matter. > > The problem is he pissed off a lot of people with his approach, and now > it?s a back and forth verbal battle until someone has enough and leaves. > Unfortunately, there are <many> against him, and they?ll never all shut up > and leave. So, the ?fix" has to come from MS - somehow. > > > On 7/23/16, 9:54 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" > <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a >> car club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is >> ridiculous. The hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about crap >> like this going on to gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but >> it makes no sense for a car club. >> Ken >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: Charles Engles <cengles(a)cox.net> >> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati(a)mac.com>; >> 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms(a)live.com> >> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> Dear Ken, >> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus >> operandi. >> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM >> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly >> Cc: [2]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those >> surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an >> excuse to do things informed members would never approve? >> Ken >> From: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati(a)mac.com> >> To: Mike Reilly <[4]reillyms(a)live.com> >> Cc: "[5]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the >> board. >> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails >> that he has a list of. >>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms(a)live.com> wrote: >>> >>> Check your junk file. Mine was there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM >>> To: [3][8]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >>> >>> >>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th >>> reply. >>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information >>> and >>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees >>> and >>> future publication mailings. >>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email >>> address >>> to see whom to send above to. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DeTomaso >> [[4]mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Will Kooiman >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM >>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; [10]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com; >> [11]bill(a)incendium.com >>> Cc: [12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; >> [13]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; >>> [14]mbglobalsc(a)aol.com; [15]gpd4(a)juno.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >>> Verbatim from the survey: >>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and >>> want >>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR >>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, >>> let >>> the >>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. >>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you >> fully >>> support us, or you suck. >>> How about this? >>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am >>> unhappy >>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the >>> club >>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have >>> been >>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without >> treating >>> people >>> with respect, they should leave. >>> -- >>> Will >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [16]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [5][17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >>> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive >>> or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. 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The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous.? The > hole just gets deeper and deeper.? You read about crap like this going on?to > gain control of?multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a > car club. > Ken > > From: Charles Engles <cengles(a)cox.net> > To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati(a)mac.com>; > 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms(a)live.com> > Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > Dear Ken, > > > ? ? ? ? ? The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi. > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Ken Green via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM > To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly > Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > This is sounding really political and dishonest.? Is it one of those surveys > carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to do > things informed members would never approve? > Ken > > ? ? ? From: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> > To: Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> > Cc: "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > ? > You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board. > > Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that he > has a list of. > > > > >> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> wrote: >> >> ? Check your junk file.? Mine was there. >> >> >> ? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> ? From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >> ? Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM >> ? To: [3]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> >> ? I have not received the survey.? I am hoping it would have a 4th >> ? reply. >> ? 4.? Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information >> ? and >> ? postings from POCA.com.? You may keep any pro-rated membership fees >> and >> ? future publication mailings. >> ? The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email >> ? address >> ? to see whom to send above to. >> >> ? -----Original Message----- >> ? From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >> On >> ? Behalf >> ? Of Will Kooiman >> ? Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM >> ? To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift(a)hotmail.com; bill(a)incendium.com >> ? Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; >> ? mbglobalsc(a)aol.com; gpd4(a)juno.com >> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> ? Verbatim from the survey: >> ? 1.? We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and >> want >> ? you to fight for us and keep making the club better.? OR >> ? 2.? We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, >> let >> ? the >> ? contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. >> ? This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully >> ? support us, or you suck. >> ? How about this? >> ? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am >> ? unhappy >> ? with the way it has been done.? Please continue trying to make the >> club >> ? better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have >> been >> ? damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating >> ? people >> ? with respect, they should leave. >> ? -- >> ? Will >> ? _______________________________________________ >> ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> ? DeTomaso mailing list >> ? DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> ? [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> ? use the links above. >> ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any >> ? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> ? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive >> ? or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> References >> >> ? 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 >> ? 2. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com >> ? 3. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com >> ? 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> ? 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:01:13 -0500 > From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> > To: Michael Haney <paso750(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > Message-ID: > <CANX29aUbq2kbO6AX3O6U3+2=A3vh5wvrL1=oLf154ummzir=Yw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > World domination? > >> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney <paso750(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end goal >> was. >> I still haven't figured it out. >> Mike Haney >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf >> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM >> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly' >> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a car >> club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous. The >> hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about crap like this going >> on to >> gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a >> car club. >> Ken >> >> From: Charles Engles <cengles(a)cox.net> >> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati(a)mac.com>; >> 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms(a)live.com> >> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> Dear Ken, >> >> >> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi. >> >> >> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf >> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM >> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly >> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those >> surveys >> carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to >> do >> things informed members would never approve? >> Ken >> >> From: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> >> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> >> Cc: "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board. >> >> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that >> he >> has a list of. >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> wrote: >>> >>> Check your junk file. Mine was there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM >>> To: [3]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >>> >>> >>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th >>> reply. >>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information >>> and >>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees >>> and >>> future publication mailings. >>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email >>> address >>> to see whom to send above to. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Will Kooiman >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM >>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift(a)hotmail.com; bill(a)incendium.com >>> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; >>> mbglobalsc(a)aol.com; gpd4(a)juno.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >>> Verbatim from the survey: >>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and >>> want >>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR >>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, >>> let >>> the >>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. >>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully >>> support us, or you suck. >>> How about this? >>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am >>> unhappy >>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the >>> club >>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have >>> been >>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating >>> people >>> with respect, they should leave. >>> -- >>> Will >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive >>> or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 >>> 2. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com >>> 3. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com >>> 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >>> 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed >> 1.5 >> Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed >> 1.5 >> Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. >

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Re: [DeTomaso] Dash warning lights on single pod L models
by marshallgsmith 24 Jul '16

24 Jul '16

This is just a guess but perhaps zip tying the sensor wires to the steel braided brake lines is completing the circuit and lighting the lamp. Marshall Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date: 06/28/2016 7:49 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, "Pantera List detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dash warning lights on single pod L models Thanks Mike, So here is my problem. I changed out my 42 year old rubber brake hoses to the calipers with some flexible stainless from Sac Restorations. Bleed the system with new fluid and everything works great except the pad sensor light now stays on. I was expecting the shuttle valve light might come on from the bleeding process but that did not happen. I did nothing to the calipers and I know the pads (stock) are nearly new from looking at them last year. The sensor wires were zip tied to the old brake lines and I zip tied them to the new lines. I'm wondering if moving them around caused a short or perhaps some how they are shorting on to the new metallic brake lines. I think I'll separate them and look for fraying, move them around a bit and see if the light goes off. Any other Ideas? Thanks, Dennis > On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Dennis, > > You got it exactly right! Those two lights cover those three functions. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 28, 2016, at 18:17, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Folks, >> Got a simple question. What are the two warning lights left of the >> Speedo on the L model? The red owners manual is not clear on this as >> it shows a gauge to the left of the Speedo, and the number call-outs >> are suspect. >> The upper (red) light is for the parking brake and I assume for general >> hydraulic failure in the system. I think the lower one (yellow) is a >> brake wear sensor light. Anything else that triggers these? >> <FullSizeRender.jpg> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. This is just a guess but perhaps zip tying the sensor wires to the steel braided brake lines is completing the circuit and lighting the lamp. Marshall Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date: 06/28/2016 7:49 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, "Pantera List detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dash warning lights on single pod L models Thanks Mike, So here is my problem. I changed out my 42 year old rubber brake hoses to the calipers with some flexible stainless from Sac Restorations. Bleed the system with new fluid and everything works great except the pad sensor light now stays on. I was expecting the shuttle valve light might come on from the bleeding process but that did not happen. I did nothing to the calipers and I know the pads (stock) are nearly new from looking at them last year. The sensor wires were zip tied to the old brake lines and I zip tied them to the new lines. I'm wondering if moving them around caused a short or perhaps some how they are shorting on to the new metallic brake lines. I think I'll separate them and look for fraying, move them around a bit and see if the light goes off. Any other Ideas? Thanks, Dennis > On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Dennis, > > You got it exactly right! Those two lights cover those three functions. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 28, 2016, at 18:17, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Folks, >> Got a simple question. What are the two warning lights left of the >> Speedo on the L model? The red owners manual is not clear on this as >> it shows a gauge to the left of the Speedo, and the number call-outs >> are suspect. >> The upper (red) light is for the parking brake and I assume for general >> hydraulic failure in the system. I think the lower one (yellow) is a >> brake wear sensor light. Anything else that triggers these? >> <FullSizeRender.jpg> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
by bill＠incendium.com 24 Jul '16

24 Jul '16

Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? BillCalgary Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Gpd4' <gpd4(a)juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com> Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com>, detomaso(a)detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <mbglobalsc(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on the original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Gpd4 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM To: Scott Couchman Cc: Michael Shortt; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) How will this survey be received? GPD4 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > I support the POCA Board of Directors. > > On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > My Fellow POCA Members, > > It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within > your club which has resulted in the > suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website. > > Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks > since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st. > > It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a > small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them > > below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation > comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be > brief. > > This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member > range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each > year > > and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 > members. Growth has never been possible because member retention > > and member recruitment has ever been a priority. > If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, > it just means that you > > basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older > community church). > > That is what POCA had, and a membership with over > 60 > % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70. > > Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it > take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade. > > I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could > make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and > was told that I would never > > get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 > months with the then current support of a progressive BOD. > > Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob > D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil > Mares have > > beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS > and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was > disabled to > > make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and > designed after asking for help form these same people and none > volunteered ), they went out > > with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile > and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be > apart of and it's primary > > purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within > POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club > while I have been President > > except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No > worries, > > as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to > professional haters, > > a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. > The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of > begging showed 808 > > POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired that > number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members. > > This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and > those not paying dues. > > As of yesterday, that number is now > 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have > added over 100 NEW members. > > A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as > Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was > finally able to get the BOD > > to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 > years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL > COLOR printing would cost. > > It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but the > result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working. > > Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of > service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an > expanded store (revenue producing )was not > > what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as > required. I understand and it was a nice parting. > > Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was > 17% more than all of our dues. > > The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on > booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained > $1,600, > > I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there > have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and > different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years. > > That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most > recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride > Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate > > ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, > usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to > gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda > > here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can > have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were truly > none of their business, all while recruiting no members and > > contributing nothing positive to the club. > > WHY The website is down > > over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to > their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to > create a better POCA Membership Experience, > > value added if you will, > for each of you. > > S > so they changed focus and begin > attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen > and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly > could not have > > done anything with their support. > > Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same > man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee > to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then > > quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in > March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a > degree, the following has occurred. > > Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to > change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, > bylaws, etc. > > they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have > started acoup to take over the club. > > The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect > the content of the website learned of this, > thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work) > > and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing > it > , > erasing everything that I have built. > > As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside > ourselves at this turn of events. > > The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking > over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is > to disable the communications. > > You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one > question. > > Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, > to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's > and into the 21st century? > > or > > Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and > let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of this > very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting > > the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years? > > You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do > not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want. > > * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 > member Chapter > leave > POCA last month > and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him. > > > If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return > to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid > reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards, > > New POCA store items,and other expenses) > > I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I > hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at the > actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ). > > Thank you, > > Michael Shortt > > STILL President > > POCA > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [4]michael(a)michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > References > > 1. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com > 2. http://poca.com/ > 3. http://poca.com/ > 4. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? Bill Calgary Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Gpd4' <gpd4(a)juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com> Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com>, detomaso(a)detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <mbglobalsc(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on the original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Gpd4 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM To: Scott Couchman Cc: Michael Shortt; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) How will this survey be received? GPD4 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > I support the POCA Board of Directors. > > On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > My Fellow POCA Members, > > It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within > your club which has resulted in the > suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website. > > Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks > since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st. > > It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a > small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them > > below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation > comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be > brief. > > This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member > range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each > year > > and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 > members. Growth has never been possible because member retention > > and member recruitment has ever been a priority. > If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, > it just means that you > > basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older > community church). > > That is what POCA had, and a membership with over > 60 > % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70. > > Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it > take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade. > > I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could > make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and > was told that I would never > > get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 > months with the then current support of a progressive BOD. > > Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob > D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil > Mares have > > beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS > and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was > disabled to > > make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and > designed after asking for help form these same people and none > volunteered ), they went out > > with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile > and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be > apart of and it's primary > > purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within > POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club > while I have been President > > except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No > worries, > > as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to > professional haters, > > a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. > The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of > begging showed 808 > > POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired that > number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members. > > This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and > those not paying dues. > > As of yesterday, that number is now > 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have > added over 100 NEW members. > > A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as > Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was > finally able to get the BOD > > to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 > years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL > COLOR printing would cost. > > It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but the > result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working. > > Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of > service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an > expanded store (revenue producing )was not > > what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as > required. I understand and it was a nice parting. > > Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was > 17% more than all of our dues. > > The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on > booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained > $1,600, > > I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there > have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and > different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years. > > That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most > recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride > Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate > > ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, > usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to > gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda > > here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can > have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were truly > none of their business, all while recruiting no members and > > contributing nothing positive to the club. > > WHY The website is down > > over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to > their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to > create a better POCA Membership Experience, > > value added if you will, > for each of you. > > S > so they changed focus and begin > attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen > and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly > could not have > > done anything with their support. > > Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same > man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee > to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then > > quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in > March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a > degree, the following has occurred. > > Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to > change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, > bylaws, etc. > > they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have > started acoup to take over the club. > > The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect > the content of the website learned of this, > thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work) > > and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing > it > , > erasing everything that I have built. > > As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside > ourselves at this turn of events. > > The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking > over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is > to disable the communications. > > You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one > question. > > Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, > to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's > and into the 21st century? > > or > > Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and > let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of this > very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting > > the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years? > > You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do > not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want. > > * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 > member Chapter > leave > POCA last month > and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him. > > > If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return > to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid > reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards, > > New POCA store items,and other expenses) > > I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I > hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at the > actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ). > > Thank you, > > Michael Shortt > > STILL President > > POCA > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [4]michael(a)michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > References > > 1. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com > 2. http://poca.com/ > 3. http://poca.com/ > 4. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board of Directors
by Mark Pinson 24 Jul '16

24 Jul '16

Folks, Following the POCA By Laws, this should be a fairly straightforward matter. At issue is that some members of the club are opposed to either: 1. the manner in which Michael Shortt is or has executed his position as President of the club; 2, the manner in which Mr. Shortt is or has conducted himself personally and/or as a representative of the club, in accordance with ARTICLE VII DISCIPLINE; Section 1. Behavior; or 3. both. If this is the case, the Board of Directors needs to hold a vote of the membership: Confidence or No Confidence in Michael Shortt as President of POCA. If the majority vote is Confidence in Mr. Shortt as President, then everybody should just accept that as the opinion of the majority and go on. If the majority vote is No Confidence, then the BOD should do their duty under ARTICLE IV; Section 7. Removal of Officers and ARTICLE VII; Section 3. Forms of Discipline. If the Board of Directors refuses or fails to do their duties under the POCA By Laws, then they should be removed from those BOD positions - simple as that. All this Survey Monkey crap and the like is just BS! So, to the POCA Board of Directors: Step up, grow a set, and do the job(s) you were elected to do! This is not what I paid my member dues for - it reflects poorly on the entire club as a representative body of Pantera owners. This immature, grade school, playground crap has been allowed to go on far too long. We are adults, presumably, and need to by God start acting like it. And for those who may be wondering - not everybody has to run for an office (private or public) to expect that those who do, perform in the jobs they choose to take on. Folks, Following the POCA By Laws, this should be a fairly straightforward matter. At issue is that some members of the club are opposed to either: 1. the manner in which Michael Shortt is or has executed his position as President of the club; 2, the manner in which Mr. Shortt is or has conducted himself personally and/or as a representative of the club, in accordance with ARTICLE VII DISCIPLINE; Section 1. Behavior; or 3. both. If this is the case, the Board of Directors needs to hold a vote of the membership: Confidence or No Confidence in Michael Shortt as President of POCA. If the majority vote is Confidence in Mr. Shortt as President, then everybody should just accept that as the opinion of the majority and go on. If the majority vote is No Confidence, then the BOD should do their duty under ARTICLE IV; Section 7. Removal of Officers and ARTICLE VII; Section 3. Forms of Discipline. If the Board of Directors refuses or fails to do their duties under the POCA By Laws, then they should be removed from those BOD positions - simple as that. All this Survey Monkey crap and the like is just BS! So, to the POCA Board of Directors: Step up, grow a set, and do the job(s) you were elected to do! This is not what I paid my member dues for - it reflects poorly on the entire club as a representative body of Pantera owners. This immature, grade school, playground crap has been allowed to go on far too long. We are adults, presumably, and need to by God start acting like it. And for those who may be wondering - not everybody has to run for an office (private or public) to expect that those who do, perform in the jobs they choose to take on.

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
by Charles Engles 23 Jul '16

23 Jul '16

Dear Ken, The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to do things informed members would never approve? Ken From: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board. Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that he has a list of. > On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> wrote: > > Check your junk file. Mine was there. > > > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM > To: [3]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > > I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th > reply. > 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information > and > postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees >and > future publication mailings. > The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email > address > to see whom to send above to. > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >On > Behalf > Of Will Kooiman > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM > To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift(a)hotmail.com; bill(a)incendium.com > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; > mbglobalsc(a)aol.com; gpd4(a)juno.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > Verbatim from the survey: > 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and >want > you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR > 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, >let > the > contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. > This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully > support us, or you suck. > How about this? > 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am > unhappy > with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the >club > better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have >been > damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating > people > with respect, they should leave. > -- > Will > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 2. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com > 3. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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NPC - Survey and POCA forum
by Kurt Byrnes 23 Jul '16

23 Jul '16

No survey for me but I'm a persona non grata. I noticed several posts about this on the POCA forum have been removed. What was in the survey? Kurt

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