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31 May '25

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Wow - It's Alive!!`
by Mike & Elizabeth 31 May '25

31 May '25

Nice to see the Forum come back to life after 6 months off! Came back from Italy and there were 30 or 40 new messages. Huzzah! Mike T Nice to see the Forum come back to life after 6 months off! Came back from Italy and there were 30 or 40 new messages. Huzzah! Mike T

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Techno Question: AC system dryer insulation
by Larry Finch 31 May '25

31 May '25

Larry Stock wrote: What kind of drier is that with an electrical plug in it? ………….. Uh, that is a standard drier. Everyone I’ve ever had contained a threaded port designed to accept a binary or trinary pressure shut-down switch. Not originally included on our cars, but an advisable upgrade when working on the AC system. Do you not supply a pressure switch on the AC kits sold by pantera parts connection??? Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

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Re: Techno Question: AC system dryer insulation
by Jeff Cobb 31 May '25

31 May '25

Hello Pantera loving people, Driers run hot and maybe hotter than its environment. Take a fast drive with a/c on max then stop and quickly check drier body temp and its surrounding metal with temp gun to see what they are. I believe the dryer maybe cooler than its area. So insulation only sounds good. Also your oil is cooler so to help the compressor. A drier should release temp not hold it. Thanks, Jeff Cobb Sent from my brain. > On May 30, 2025, at 5:20 PM, Charles Engles <cengles(a)cox.net> wrote: > Dear Larry, > > I believe that is a safety switch that cuts off the compressor if the system pressure is too high (above 400 psi) or too low (less than 28 psi). Many driers have an M10 x 1.25 threaded fitting for the above mentioned safety switch. > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Stock [mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com] > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2025 5:07 PM > To: Larry Finch; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Techno Question: AC system dryer insulation > > What kind of drier is that with an electrical plug in it? > > On 5/30/25, 2:28 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: > > > Or you can just avoid the concern of engine bay heat while cleaning up the engine bay appearance by locating the drier in this manner inside the RR wheel well. > > > Larry > > > > > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Techno Question: AC system dryer insulation
by Larry Finch 30 May '25

30 May '25

Or you can just avoid the concern of engine bay heat while cleaning up the engine bay appearance by locating the drier in this manner inside the RR wheel well. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

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Re: Techno Question: AC system dryer insulation
by Pantdino 30 May '25

30 May '25

Are you asking about the foam insulation or the dryer itself? The foam presumably insulated the dryer from engine heat, but it is probably not critical. Jim Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, May 30, 2025, 9:22 AM, Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: The big problem is that all the residual oil remains in the Drier. R-12 mineral oil is NOT compatible with PAG oil that comes in most Rotary AC Compressors Even with changing the drier, The residual mineral oil found at the bottom of the Evaporator will form little clear gel balls and clog the Evaporator valve filter in about 3 weeks running the contaminated system. We need to use Ester 100 oil in our Pantera's with R134 flare fitting rotary compressors to be compatible. Larry Stock On 5/29/25, 10:01 PM, "Don Thomas" <dtpantera(a)gmail.com <mailto:dtpantera@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Chuck, The purest AC Service Tech's will recommend that you replace the Dryer if the system is opened up. If you are switching from R12 to R134a ... You will need to replace the Dryer. The difference between an R12 and R134a AC dryer lies in the desiccant used. Older R12 dryers had desiccants that are not compatible with R134a/oil, but if the dryer was manufactured after 1993, the desiccant should be compatible with both refrigerants. When converting an AC system from R12 to R134a, it is recommended to replace the dryer with a new one that has a desiccant compatible with R134a. For more details .. here is a good reference: [1]https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-difere <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-difere> nce-5JelBMroRqeCiDYC3RLc4Q As for the foam around it... I have no idea. Best regards, -dt Don Thomas On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 9:15 AM Charles Engles <[2]cengles(a)cox.net <mailto:cengles@cox.net>> wrote: Dear Forum, This is a trivial question about the dryer in the Pantera AC system. Is the stock factory foam insulation over the dryer necessary if converting to R134? Mine is fifty years old and ready for retirement. Must it be replaced? Curious, Chuck Engles _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To unsubscribe send an email to [4]detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-diference-5JelBMroRqeCiD… <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-diference-5JelBMroRqeCiD…> 2. mailto:cengles@cox.net <mailto:cengles@cox.net> 3. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 4. mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Are you asking about the foam insulation or the dryer itself? The foam presumably insulated the dryer from engine heat, but it is probably not critical. Jim Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, May 30, 2025, 9:22 AM, Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: The big problem is that all the residual oil remains in the Drier. R-12 mineral oil is NOT compatible with PAG oil that comes in most Rotary AC Compressors Even with changing the drier, The residual mineral oil found at the bottom of the Evaporator will form little clear gel balls and clog the Evaporator valve filter in about 3 weeks running the contaminated system. We need to use Ester 100 oil in our Pantera's with R134 flare fitting rotary compressors to be compatible. Larry Stock On 5/29/25, 10:01 PM, "Don Thomas" <[1]dtpantera(a)gmail.com <mailto:dtpantera@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Chuck, The purest AC Service Tech's will recommend that you replace the Dryer if the system is opened up. If you are switching from R12 to R134a ... You will need to replace the Dryer. The difference between an R12 and R134a AC dryer lies in the desiccant used. Older R12 dryers had desiccants that are not compatible with R134a/oil, but if the dryer was manufactured after 1993, the desiccant should be compatible with both refrigerants. When converting an AC system from R12 to R134a, it is recommended to replace the dryer with a new one that has a desiccant compatible with R134a. For more details .. here is a good reference: [1]https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-difere <[2]https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-difere> nce-5JelBMroRqeCiDYC3RLc4Q As for the foam around it... I have no idea. Best regards, -dt Don Thomas On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 9:15 AM Charles Engles <[2]cengles(a)cox.net <mailto:cengles@cox.net>> wrote: Dear Forum, This is a trivial question about the dryer in the Pantera AC system. Is the stock factory foam insulation over the dryer necessary if converting to R134? Mine is fifty years old and ready for retirement. Must it be replaced? Curious, Chuck Engles _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To unsubscribe send an email to [4]detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [3]https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-diference-5JelBMr oRqeCiDYC3RLc4Q <[4]https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-diference-5JelBM roRqeCiDYC3RLc4Q> 2. mailto:cengles@cox.net <mailto:cengles@cox.net> 3. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 4. mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To unsubscribe send an email to [6]detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to [8]detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:dtpantera@gmail.com 2. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-difere 3. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-diference-5JelBMroRqeCiD… 4. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/r12-r134-ac-dryer-diference-5JelBMroRqeCiD… 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com

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Techno Question: AC system dryer insulation
by Charles Engles 30 May '25

30 May '25

Dear Forum, This is a trivial question about the dryer in the Pantera AC system. Is the stock factory foam insulation over the dryer necessary if converting to R134? Mine is fifty years old and ready for retirement. Must it be replaced? Curious, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, This is a trivial question about the dryer in the Pantera AC system. Is the stock factory foam insulation over the dryer necessary if converting to R134? Mine is fifty years old and ready for retirement. Must it be replaced? Curious, Chuck Engles

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Fwd: Re: shaft throw out bearing
by Mike Drew 30 May '25

30 May '25

Forwarded from David…. > From: DAVID D GOODWIN <goodwinpantera(a)comcast.net> > Date: May 29, 2025 at 11:23:07 PDT > To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew(a)aol.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: shaft throw out bearing > > > I had to shorten my throw out bearing even after taking the 3 shims out. I discovered my throwout bearing was tight against the clutch fingers when I replaced my pressure plate and disc. Good thing my friend is a machinist. Forwarded from David…. From: DAVID D GOODWIN <goodwinpantera(a)comcast.net> Date: May 29, 2025 at 11:23:07 PDT To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: shaft throw out bearing I had to shorten my throw out bearing even after taking the 3 shims out. I discovered my throwout bearing was tight against the clutch fingers when I replaced my pressure plate and disc. Good thing my friend is a machinist. Bearing1.jpg McLeod.jpg

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Palooza pics
by Ed Mendez 30 May '25

30 May '25

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stock clutch throw out mechanizm
by STEVEN EDWARDS 28 May '25

28 May '25

My friend has a 72 Pantera with a internal throwout bearing. He want to go back to the stock external throwout shaft and cylinder. We changed from the stock type 30 years ago and it had not beyond repair. Plus it has become a pain to take out the transaxle every time to repair or replace the internal throw out bearing.So does anyone have the complete shaft type throwout bearing they want to sell him? thanks Steven Edwards My friend has a 72 Pantera with a internal throwout bearing. He want to go back to the stock external throwout shaft and cylinder. We changed from the stock type 30 years ago and it had not beyond repair. Plus it has become a pain to take out the transaxle every time to repair or replace the internal throw out bearing. So does anyone have the complete shaft type throwout bearing they want to sell him? thanks Steven Edwards

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