Hi Effie, Points taken. I’m not sure that I would have done it differently if I were on the board, though. The whole ordeal was unfortunate, and hopefully we can move forward like professionals with respect to one another. BTW, my wife is currently at a board meeting. It’s a local development board, similar to a city council, but not nearly as large. I’ve also served on a BOD for a large IT consulting company. My point is that I know what the BOD is going through, and I’d like to repeat what someone else said. We need to give the “new” BOD time to clean up the mess. Dealing with all of this is difficult and very draining. From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> Date: Monday, August 15, 2016 at 2:02 PM To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com>, 'marshallgsmith' <marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net>, 'Asa Jay Laughton' <asajay@asajay.com>, <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic RE: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic See below: -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:59 AM To: marshallgsmith; Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic Hi Marshall, At the time, things were pretty nasty online. It was probably better to not hash the details in a public forum. I say, if the nasty online comments were allowed, then the printer issue cost should have been posted as well for all of us to see. I reached out to a few people while it was nasty, and I got the same explanation that Judy posted. Basically, the printer costs were about the same - and not $8,000 cheaper. But like I said, it didn¹t make sense to hash details. I say just a statement that there was not an actual proposal with savings submitted by MS, (if that was true), would have not been a "hash details" but a most important and deserving information to us all. I still think the best solution is to have 6 color mailings with the newsletter and Profiles merged. Profiles is a great looking magazine. Jack provides great content. Let Jack continue to provide technical articles. Task local chapters to produce content for local updates. And task the editor to pull it all together into Profiles. The BOD can produce content for national events. Will. On 8/14/16, 10:27 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of marshallgsmith" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
Hey Asa...
Don't apologize so quickly.
What I don't understand is why we are just receiving this information
now. By all appearances, Jack and Mike picked up their marbles and went
home because they didn't want to change printers regardless of the (now
incorrect) $8,000 savings. This seemingly put our editors in a bad
light. Additionally, neither spoke up which made matters look worse.
Knowing this information before hand would have saved a lot of
discontent and innuendo.
This smacks of the age-old POCA board making the decisions but not
sharing the details with the membership which in this case would have
painted the old board in a much better light.
Marshall
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From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com <mailto:asajay@asajay.com> >
Date: 8/13/16 7:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
I stand corrected. I received the same pdf attachment as everyone else
and it appears Jack's resignation -was- tied to switching printers
(though not for the presumed reasons I was made aware of previously).
My apologies for the mistake and thank you to those who were able to
clear that up.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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Hey Asa...
Don't apologize so quickly.
What I don't understand is why we are just receiving this information
now. By all appearances, Jack and Mike picked up their marbles and went
home because they didn't want to change printers regardless of the (now
incorrect) $8,000 savings. This seemingly put our editors in a bad
light. Additionally, neither spoke up which made matters look worse.
Knowing this information before hand would have saved a lot of
discontent and innuendo.
This smacks of the age-old POCA board making the decisions but not
sharing the details with the membership which in this case would have
painted the old board in a much better light.
Marshall
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
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From: Asa Jay Laughton <[9]asajay@asajay.com>
Date: 8/13/16 7:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: [10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
I stand corrected. I received the same pdf attachment as everyone else
and it appears Jack's resignation -was- tied to switching printers
(though not for the presumed reasons I was made aware of previously).
My apologies for the mistake and thank you to those who were able to
clear that up.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
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