Dear Ken, The tone and timbre of this old email is only slightly less intense than the current ones I am aware of. The internet seems to release his inhibitions........ Warmest regards, Chuck Engles PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: Art Stephens <artstephens@charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A <detomaso@realbig.com>; scott black <timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions. However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee. There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true. Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention. Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will. Michael in Savannah On 8/24/07, Art Stephens <artstephens@charter.net> wrote:
Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I never will!
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: "scott black" <timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> To: "DeTomaso A" <detomaso@realbig.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with
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http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k .asx
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"PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince." A good guitarist or dead? ;-) -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: Art Stephens <artstephens@charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A <detomaso@realbig.com>; scott black <timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions. However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee. There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true. Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention. Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will. Michael in Savannah On 8/24/07, Art Stephens <artstephens@charter.net> wrote:
Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I never will!
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: "scott black" <timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> To: "DeTomaso A" <detomaso@realbig.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with
any
Jiffy's in your town?
http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k .asx
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Man that is purple humor instead of blue. On 5/21/2016 7:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
"PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince."
A good guitarist or dead? ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: Art Stephens <artstephens@charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A <detomaso@realbig.com>; scott black <timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions.
However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee.
There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true.
Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention.
Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will.
Michael in Savannah
On 8/24/07, Art Stephens <artstephens@charter.net> wrote:
Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I never will!
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: "scott black" <timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> To: "DeTomaso A" <detomaso@realbig.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with
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Jiffy's in your town?
http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k .asx
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As I recall, Scott was the PR chair for POCA for many years and did a wonderful job. I think it was (like many of us) more work and less play in his own life that caused him to step back. But I'm sure he can defend himself on this one too. ;) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/21/2016 5:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
"PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince."
A good guitarist or dead? ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt<michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A<detomaso@realbig.com>; scott black<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions.
However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee.
There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true.
Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention.
Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will.
Michael in Savannah
On 8/24/07, Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> wrote:
Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I never will!
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: "scott black"<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> To: "DeTomaso A"<detomaso@realbig.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with
any
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http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k .asx
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Yes, it was disappointing email response. I appreciated the kind words from those who know me. And no, we have yet to represent (or even pitch) any oil change business. Though, we would happily accept the work, LOL. I hope that cooler heads prevail in the POCA leadership than occurred in this unfortunate attack. Scott Black Former POCA Board Member TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com On Sunday, May 22, 2016 3:37 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote: As I recall, Scott was the PR chair for POCA for many years and did a wonderful job. I think it was (like many of us) more work and less play in his own life that caused him to step back. But I'm sure he can defend himself on this one too. ;) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/21/2016 5:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
"PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince."
A good guitarist or dead? ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt<michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A<detomaso@realbig.com>; scott black<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions.
However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee.
There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true.
Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention.
Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will.
Michael in Savannah
On 8/24/07, Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> wrote:
Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I never will!
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: "scott black"<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> To: "DeTomaso A"<detomaso@realbig.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with
any
Jiffy's in your town?
http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k .asx
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"PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince."
A good guitarist or dead? ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: [4]detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to
Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt<[5]michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: Art Stephens<[6]artstephens@charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A<[7]detomaso@realbig.com>; scott black<[8]timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions.
However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a
_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Yes, it was disappointing email response. I appreciated the kind words from those who know me. And no, we have yet to represent (or even pitch) any oil change business. Though, we would happily accept the work, LOL. I hope that cooler heads prevail in the POCA leadership than occurred in this unfortunate attack. Scott Black Former POCA Board Member TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com On Sunday, May 22, 2016 3:37 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote: As I recall, Scott was the PR chair for POCA for many years and did a wonderful job. I think it was (like many of us) more work and less play in his own life that caused him to step back. But I'm sure he can defend himself on this one too. ;) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/21/2016 5:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote: the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee.
There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube
franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true.
Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind,
esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention.
Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take
and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will.
Michael in Savannah
On 8/24/07, Art Stephens<[9]artstephens@charter.net> wrote:
Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like
never will!
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: "scott black"<[10]timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> To: "DeTomaso A"<[11]detomaso@realbig.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with
any
Jiffy's in your town?
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Asa Jay Laughton -
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Julian Kift -
scott black