I will go on the record that my chrome bumpers do not stop wind noise above 120 MPH. Is it just me? On Aug 17, 2016 8:53 PM, "Guido deTomaso" <guido_detomaso@prodigy.net> wrote:

Over on Facebook "Motorology" someone is claiming the L bumper in front stopped a wind noise / buffeting issue. Sounds like malarkey to me, but I don't have pre-L to make a comparison to. Was this ever a thing ? GD

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I will go on the record that my chrome bumpers do not stop wind noise above 120 MPH. Is it just me? On Aug 17, 2016 8:53 PM, "Guido deTomaso" <[1]guido_detomaso@prodigy.net> wrote: A A Over on Facebook "Motorology" someone is claiming the L bumper in front A A stopped a wind noise / buffeting issue. A A Sounds like malarkey to me, but I don't have pre-L to make a comparison A A to. A A Was this ever a thing ? A A GD _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

Who is Malarkey and is he full of it too thinking the L bumper shape could possibly have any discernible effect on wind noise ? Me Sent from my iPhone

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I've driven/ridden in many a Pre-L and L cars, and I've never noticed a discernable difference in wind noise, nor have I heard/read anything about lack of wind noise being a benefit of the L bumper. I vote for malarkey.

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:58 PM To: Guido deTomaso Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ?

I will go on the record that my chrome bumpers do not stop wind noise above 120 MPH. Is it just me?

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Over on Facebook "Motorology" someone is claiming the L bumper in front stopped a wind noise / buffeting issue. Sounds like malarkey to me, but I don't have pre-L to make a comparison to. Was this ever a thing ? GD

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Isn't wind noise a property of an object's inefficient movement and speed in air and that's why no one never hears a golf ball until it hits you. Speaking about golf balls did any one ever see the Myth Busters episode where they put golf ball dimples on a car and actually made the care more efficient. But who wants to drive around in a car that looks like a golf ball that would be as bad as having s goat for a pet,,, no one wants a goat as a pet. Sent from my iPhone

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I've driven/ridden in many a Pre-L and L cars, and I've never noticed a discernable difference in wind noise, nor have I heard/read anything about lack of wind noise being a benefit of the L bumper. I vote for malarkey.

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:58 PM To: Guido deTomaso Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ?

I will go on the record that my chrome bumpers do not stop wind noise above 120 MPH. Is it just me?

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On Aug 17, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Scott Mead Photography wrote:

I've driven/ridden in many a Pre-L and L cars, and I've never noticed a discernable difference in wind noise, nor have I heard/read anything about lack of wind noise being a benefit of the L bumper. I vote for malarkey.

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:58 PM To: Guido deTomaso Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ?

I will go on the record that my chrome bumpers do not stop wind noise above 120 MPH. Is it just me?

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I always thought the L-bumper was a designer "tip o' the hat" to celebrate the unique look of the duckbill platypus. In addition to eliminating wind noise/buffeting, the L-bumper also serves to function as a link from one front corner to the other so that when the car is involved in a front corner collision, the opposite corner also receives equivalent damage, which is a very clever design characteristic to ensure that the un-crashed corner does not miss out on all the fun. Sent using Hushmail On August 18, 2016 at 12:51 PM, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." wrote:If the dimples also scattered radar/laser, it might be worth it -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Paul A Rimov Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 15:29 PM To: Scott Mead Photography Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ? Isn't wind noise a property of an object's inefficient movement and speed in air and that's why no one never hears a golf ball until it hits you. Speaking about golf balls did any one ever see the Myth Busters episode where they put golf ball dimples on a car and actually made the care more efficient. But who wants to drive around in a car that looks like a golf ball that would be as bad as having s goat for a pet,,, no one wants a goat as a pet. Sent from my iPhone the list.

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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I always thought the L-bumper was a designer "tip o' the hat" to celebrate the unique look of the duckbill platypus. In addition to eliminating wind noise/buffeting, the L-bumper also serves to function as a link from one front corner to the other so that when the car is involved in a front corner collision, the opposite corner also receives equivalent damage, which is a very clever design characteristic to ensure that the un-crashed corner does not miss out on all the fun. Sent using Hushmail On August 18, 2016 at 12:51 PM, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote: If the dimples also scattered radar/laser, it might be worth it -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Paul A Rimov Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 15:29 PM To: Scott Mead Photography Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ? Isn't wind noise a property of an object's inefficient movement and speed in air and that's why no one never hears a golf ball until it hits you. Speaking about golf balls did any one ever see the Myth Busters episode where they put golf ball dimples on a car and actually made the care more efficient. But who wants to drive around in a car that looks like a golf ball that would be as bad as having s goat for a pet,,, no one wants a goat as a pet. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Scott Mead Photography <scott@scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: > > I've driven/ridden in many a Pre-L and L cars, and I've never noticed a discernable difference in wind noise, nor have I heard/read anything about lack of wind noise being a benefit of the L bumper. I vote for malarkey. > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:58 PM > To: Guido deTomaso > Cc: detomaso > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ? > > I will go on the record that my chrome bumpers do not stop wind noise > above > 120 MPH. Is it just me? > > On Aug 17, 2016 8:53 PM, "Guido deTomaso" <guido_detomaso@prodigy.net> > wrote: > >> Over on Facebook "Motorology" someone is claiming the L bumper in front >> stopped a wind noise / buffeting issue. >> Sounds like malarkey to me, but I don't have pre-L to make a comparison >> to. >> Was this ever a thing ? >> GD >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve the archiving of list messages. >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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So Doug, That was an intriguing read. I could not put it down. Who knew? I may have to rethink my life and love for K-9s. On Aug 18, 2016 4:29 PM, "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm@qwest.net> wrote:

Clearly, you haven't met Mike. (No, not Mike Drew) ;<D http://mikesbackyardnursery.com/2013/06/7-reasons-why-you- should-get-a-goat/

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-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Paul A Rimov Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 2:29 PM To: Scott Mead Photography Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ?

Isn't wind noise a property of an object's inefficient movement and speed in air and that's why no one never hears a golf ball until it hits you. Speaking about golf balls did any one ever see the Myth Busters episode where they put golf ball dimples on a car and actually made the care more efficient. But who wants to drive around in a car that looks like a golf ball that would be as bad as having s goat for a pet,,, no one wants a goat as a pet.

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So Doug, That was an intriguing read. I could not put it down. Who knew? I may have to rethink my life and love for K-9s. On Aug 18, 2016 4:29 PM, "Douglas Kelm" <[1]dakelm@qwest.net> wrote: Clearly, you haven't met Mike. (No, not Mike Drew) ;<D [2]http://mikesbackyardnursery.com/2013/06/7-reasons-why-you- should-get-a-goat/ Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Paul A Rimov Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 2:29 PM To: Scott Mead Photography Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ? Isn't wind noise a property of an object's inefficient movement and speed in air and that's why noA one never hears a golf ball until it hits you. Speaking about golf balls did any one ever see the Myth Busters episode where they put golf ball dimples on a car and actually made the care more efficient. But who wants to drive around in a car that looks like a golf ball that would be as bad as having s goat for a pet,,, no one wants a goat as a pet. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:dakelm@qwest.net 2. http://mikesbackyardnursery.com/2013/06/7-reasons-why-you-should-get-a-goat/ 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

Short answer--no. It was inspired purely by the oppressive bumper laws introduced for the 1973 model year. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2016, at 17:50, Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso@prodigy.net> wrote:

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The Ford changes were Added front bracket needed to stiffen steering on first imports. Lowering the rack to reduce bump steer The owner changes could have been Removing spring spacers that were added to meet US bumper height requirement and does lower ground clearance. Is that -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Guido deTomaso Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 14:36 PM To: Guido deTomaso; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ? Thanks all for the follow-up. Now this nugget: "And retuning the suspension so it was a safer handling car" I'm not aware of any changes to springs, shocks, anti-roll bars from 71 to 74, did anything change ? GD From: Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso@prodigy.net> To: detomaso <DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 5:50 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ? Over on Facebook "Motorology" someone is claiming the L bumper in front stopped a wind noise / buffeting issue. Sounds like malarkey to me, but I don't have pre-L to make a comparison to. Was this ever a thing ? GD _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

Removing the spring spacers ? Chuck Thanks all for the follow-up.  Now this nugget: "And retuning the suspension so it was a safer handling car" I'm not aware of any changes to springs, shocks, anti-roll bars from 71 to 74, did anything change ? GD From: Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso@prodigy.net> To: detomaso <DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 5:50 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ?   Over on Facebook "Motorology" someone is claiming the L bumper in front   stopped a wind noise / buffeting issue.   Sounds like malarkey to me, but I don't have pre-L to make a comparison   to.   Was this ever a thing ?   GD _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

Joe, I'm happy for the young man and have no regrets for passing on the car. He got more than he was initially asking for the car, which for a guy that looked like he really needed the money is a good thing. Mike and I debated on paying more for the car. I had told Mike that the car could be parted out for at least $40k, or flipping it for a quick profit, even with the major issues with the body sheet metal and other parts of the car. While there was no downside on paying more for the car, when it came down to it, Mike and I had other things on our plate and decided to pass. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Aug 18, 2016 8:59 AM, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

That sucks he did not honor your initial cash offer. It must have looked worse in person not to have gone $10/15K! (before the TX 25K offer).

Joe/5177

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dick Koch Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 16:09 PM To: detomaso Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera #3887 Review

For those that are interested, the following link provides a review of the Pantera on which I did a cursory inspection this past Sunday and some pictures of the car.

After Mike Langston and I passed on buying the car, I was told it sold to someone in Texas.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1276591225714207.1073741858. 100000900252005&type=1&l=cebbefed29

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Joe, I'm happy for the young man and have no regrets for passing on the car. He got more than he was initially asking for the car, which for a guy that looked like he really needed the money is a good thing. Mike and I debated on paying more for the car. I had told Mike that the car could be parted out for at least $40k, or flipping it for a quick profit, even with the major issues with the body sheet metal and other parts of the car. While there was no downside on paying more for the car, when it came down to it, Mike and I had other things on our plate and decided to pass. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Aug 18, 2016 8:59 AM, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[1]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote: That sucks he did not honor your initial cash offer.A It must have looked worse in person not to have gone $10/15K! (before the TX 25K offer). Joe/5177 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dick Koch Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 16:09 PM To: detomaso Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera #3887 Review For those that are interested, the following link provides a review of the Pantera on which I did a cursory inspection this past Sunday and some pictures of the car. After Mike Langston and I passed on buying the car, I was told it sold to someone in Texas. [3]https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a. 1276591225714207.1073741858.100000900252005&type=1&l=cebbefed29 Dick Koch - Atlanta _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1276591225714207.1073741858.100000900252005&type=1&l=cebbefed29 4. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso