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by Mike & Elizabeth 26 Dec '24

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Re: Highway Star
by Asa Jay Laughton 26 Dec '24

26 Dec '24

Really? l'd buy the Tesla. Have you ridden in one and experienced the acceleration? I don't think you're going to do it with a V8 using 2 bbl heads and a street cam. That's just me though. Would I like to be able to? Sure I would, but I think I'm being a realist. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO ****************************** https://w7tsc.org https://www.teampanteraracing.com On 12/25/2024 23:18, Dan Courtney wrote: > How would you design a Pantera to reliably take on long, long roadtrips > reliably and quickly? > > Forget about track or open road applications, just out accelerate g > that Tesla in the #3 lane to that gap in the #2 lane. > > So quick acceleration between 2,000 and 4,000 rpm. > > 2 bbl heads, aluminum flywheel, street performance cam? > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Highway Star
by Dan Courtney 26 Dec '24

26 Dec '24

How would you design a Pantera to reliably take on long, long roadtrips reliably and quickly?Forget about track or open road applications, just out accelerate g that Tesla in the #3 lane to that gap in the #2 lane.So quick acceleration between 2,000 and 4,000 rpm.2 bbl heads, aluminum flywheel, street performance cam?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone How would you design a Pantera to reliably take on long, long roadtrips reliably and quickly? Forget about track or open road applications, just out accelerate g that Tesla in the #3 lane to that gap in the #2 lane. So quick acceleration between 2,000 and 4,000 rpm. 2 bbl heads, aluminum flywheel, street performance cam? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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Looking for EARLY 4Cam Swap Clutch Info!?
by Steve Liebenow 25 Dec '24

25 Dec '24

Holiday Greetings! For those of you hiding from the fray in the house caused by invaders young and old, perhaps you can answer this. Helping a new found neighbor owner, of an early Steve W. 4 cammer swap. Owner sourced a 5.4 Navigator engine and got the rest of the swap from Steve W. The car never really got to the point that it was reliably tuned.....and over the years, the owner decided to just put it back to 351C power!!! New engine is in the shop and they need the flywheel for balancing of the rotating assy. Questions.... Did the early 5.4 swaps reuse the 351C flywheel??? (28oz imbalance) Was the stock flywheel rebalanced? Or did a new 5.4 compatible flywheel come with the kit??? Did pressure plate and 11" disc swap onto new flywheel if this was the case? The 5.4 is still in the car.....and owner really doesn't want to pull it out until he has another engine to drop in its place...vs a drawn out search for parts.....couple days is OK, but weeks and months is less than a desirable situation! Thanks and stay tuned! Will likely be a large need for more "old" parts to put this back together. Cheers and thanks!!!! Steve Holiday Greetings! For those of you hiding from the fray in the house caused by invaders young and old, perhaps you can answer this. Helping a new found neighbor owner, of an early Steve W. 4 cammer swap. Owner sourced a 5.4 Navigator engine and got the rest of the swap from Steve W. The car never really got to the point that it was reliably tuned.....and over the years, the owner decided to just put it back to 351C power!!! New engine is in the shop and they need the flywheel for balancing of the rotating assy. Questions.... Did the early 5.4 swaps reuse the 351C flywheel??? (28oz imbalance) Was the stock flywheel rebalanced? Or did a new 5.4 compatible flywheel come with the kit??? Did pressure plate and 11" disc swap onto new flywheel if this was the case? The 5.4 is still in the car.....and owner really doesn't want to pull it out until he has another engine to drop in its place...vs a drawn out search for parts.....couple days is OK, but weeks and months is less than a desirable situation! Thanks and stay tuned! Will likely be a large need for more "old" parts to put this back together. Cheers and thanks!!!! Steve

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Re: Flywheel material and tooth count?
by dnunn＠telus.net 24 Dec '24

24 Dec '24

Mike, When I built the engine for 5165 (which now resides in the Jacksonville Sports Car Museum - https://www.jaxsportscarmuseum.com/gallery-1) I wanted it to rev as quickly as possible. Accordingly, I made sure the entire reciprocating assembly was as light at possible. I used a lightweight crank damper, lightened pistons and rods, gun-drilled crank throws, 157 tooth aluminum flywheel and a diaphragm pressure plate with an aluminum friction ring. The engine was internally balanced and had a solid roller cam, T&D shaft rockers, etc. It revved so fast it was difficult to keep off the rev limiter. I had none of the "buck and snort" you mentioned, when driving at low speed. I could easily drive at 2 mph in a parade or in stop and go traffic. Driving on and off a trailer was easy too. In fact, at parking lot speeds, it wasn't much different than when it was stock. This leads me to believe that the "buck and snort" you're describing is a tuning issue that is masked by a heavy flywheel. My 2 cents! Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- Dan, I was convinced to go for a Fidanza aluminum flywheel, and I think it's too light for the street. Yes, it makes the engine rev faster which is entertaining. But it, coupled with a fairly aggressive cam, makes the car buck and snort when trying to inch along at very low speed. I have to use the clutch and rev the engine far more than one might expect-almost like a smaller-displacement Ferrari. Lori's engine has a stock flywheel and has pleasingly truck-like characteristics at walking pace. An intermediate-weight flywheel would probably be the best bet. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Dec 19, 2024, at 18:53, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > 164 tooth and personally I'd go with a billet steel flywheel for a > street performance engine > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Dan <dan(a)excaliburre.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2024 3:44 PM > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Flywheel material and tooth count? > > Does anyone know what tooth count for the flywheel? And what is better > for a > performance street Pantera, steel or aluminum? > > Thanks, > Dan > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to > detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -----Original Message----- From: detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com <detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2024 9:01 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 246, Issue 15 Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."

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Re: Flywheel material and tooth count?
by Terry Himes 24 Dec '24

24 Dec '24

That cracked me up!! Almost choked on my coffee (the elixir of life). Love the good-hearted humor. Terry2Beers (my Cherokee name) On 12/24/24, 8:46 AM, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: My GT5 show the same symptoms as Mike with an aluminum flywheel, but I probably notice it more as it doesn’t sit in a museum. Julian > On Dec 24, 2024, at 08:27, dnunn(a)telus.net <mailto:dnunn@telus.net> wrote: > > Mike, > > When I built the engine for 5165 (which now resides in the Jacksonville > Sports Car Museum - https://www.jaxsportscarmuseum.com/gallery-1 <https://www.jaxsportscarmuseum.com/gallery-1>), I wanted > it to rev as quickly as possible. Accordingly, I made sure the entire > reciprocating assembly was as light at possible. I used a lightweight crank > damper, lightened pistons and rods, gun-drilled crank throws, 157 tooth > aluminum flywheel and a diaphragm pressure plate with an aluminum friction > ring. The engine was internally balanced and had a solid roller cam, T&D > shaft rockers, etc. It revved so fast it was difficult to keep off the rev > limiter. I had none of the "buck and snort" you mentioned, when driving at > low speed. I could easily drive at 2 mph in a parade or in stop and go > traffic. Driving on and off a trailer was easy too. In fact, at parking lot > speeds, it wasn't much different than when it was stock. This leads me to > believe that the "buck and snort" you're describing is a tuning issue that > is masked by a heavy flywheel. > > My 2 cents! > > Dave > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------- > > Dan, > > I was convinced to go for a Fidanza aluminum flywheel, and I think it's too > light for the street. > > Yes, it makes the engine rev faster which is entertaining. But it, coupled > with a fairly aggressive cam, makes the car buck and snort when trying to > inch along at very low speed. I have to use the clutch and rev the engine > far more than one might expect-almost like a smaller-displacement Ferrari. > Lori's engine has a stock flywheel and has pleasingly truck-like > characteristics at walking pace. > > An intermediate-weight flywheel would probably be the best bet. > > Mike > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 19, 2024, at 18:53, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: >> >> 164 tooth and personally I'd go with a billet steel flywheel for a >> street performance engine >> >> Julian >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: Dan <dan(a)excaliburre.com <mailto:dan@excaliburre.com>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2024 3:44 PM >> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Flywheel material and tooth count? >> >> Does anyone know what tooth count for the flywheel? And what is better >> for a >> performance street Pantera, steel or aluminum? >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- >> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To unsubscribe send an email to >> detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> > <detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com>> > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2024 9:01 PM > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 246, Issue 15 > > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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We Enroll at McPherson College to Study the Fine Art of Car Restoration
by Mike Drew 23 Dec '24

23 Dec '24

All, Chuck Engles in the news! https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a62055292/we-enroll-mcpherson-college… Mike Sent from my iPad

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Re: Flywheel material and tooth count?
by Larry Stock 20 Dec '24

20 Dec '24

Dan, Predominantly, we sell the #05041L back cut lightened SFI approved Billet steel, externally balanced, 164 tooth ring gear unit which is drilled for both 11" and 10-1/2" clutch patterns. 05041A Flywheel &ring gear ass'y, OEM Ext Bal (36 LBS) 388.00 05041B Flywheel &ring gear ass'y, Int Bal 164 tooth (36 LBS) 372.95 05041C Flywheel &ring gear ass'y, Alum Ext Bal (14 LBS) 600.00 05041D Flywheel &ring gear ass'y, Alum Int Bal (14 LBS) 600.00 05041L Flywheel &ring gear ass'y,Ext Bal Cntrfce (27#lightened) 425.00 05041P Flywheel &ring gear ass'y, Ext Bal Cntrfce (36 LBS) 372.95 Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection LC 550 Mallory Way Carson City NV 89701 www.PanteraParts.com PH 775-283-4411 Fax 775-283-4410 Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627 On 12/19/24, 4:52 PM, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: 164 tooth and personally I'd go with a billet steel flywheel for a street performance engine Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Dan <dan(a)excaliburre.com <mailto:dan@excaliburre.com>> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2024 3:44 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Flywheel material and tooth count? Does anyone know what tooth count for the flywheel? And what is better for a performance street Pantera, steel or aluminum? Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Flywheel material and tooth count?
by Dan 20 Dec '24

20 Dec '24

Does anyone know what tooth count for the flywheel? And what is better for a performance street Pantera, steel or aluminum? Thanks, Dan Does anyone know what tooth count for the flywheel? And what is better for a performance street Pantera, steel or aluminum? Thanks, Dan

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Tach adapter help
by michael frazier 17 Dec '24

17 Dec '24

After over thinking this… I’ve stalled. I’m currently running a complete TerminatorX EFI system with DualSync distributor and MSD 6efi ignition box and coil. At least 3 adapters are available. The Holley/MSD 8920, 8910 or 8910EIS. Anyone here have experience with this? Brain fogged and electron challenged. Michael Sent from my iPhone

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