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Oil Pressure Gauge Part Deux - Mechanical Gauge Test
by Mike Thomas 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Received the mechanical gauge from Mike Drew today (thanks Mike). Put it on and started the motor, and it reads 60 lbs. at start and warm up at 1500 RPM’s, not much less at idle (~900 when the choke lets go(, and only a little more when I rev. That doesn’t seem right. I would expect it to drop pretty low at idle. Thoughts? Mike Thomas From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 7:19 PM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Thanks Mike, I'm going to look him up. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2016, at 18:43, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: Rick Sanchez From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:53 PM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Know it well, the zip code is 78154. It's right outside San Antonio and next to Randolph AFB, where I was stationed for most of my Air Force Reserve career. About 60 miles from my house in Austin. I'm sure Michael Frazier knows him. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 19:38, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > wrote: Actually in a town called Schertz, not sure how close that is to you. Zip is 87154. Mike From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:Richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 7:41 AM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge That wasn’t me, Mike. If there’s another Richard in Austin with a Pantera, I’d like to meet him! Did you attend the Rally two years ago put on by Space City Panteras? From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 22:17 To: Richard Greenblum <richard(a)richardgreenblum.com <mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Thanks Richard Are you the same Richard in Texas who just bought my firewall cover? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:13 PM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Mike, I obviously can't tell what your problem is from here, but mine did that for a while. When I tapped on the glass sometimes it would start working again, sometimes it wouldn't. Then it stopped and has been normal for a while. I think it's obviously the gauge. Richard Austin, TX Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 19:26, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > wrote: I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting a pegged reading on my oil pressure gauge. It will show normal pressure as the car starts, but soon after pegs to the right and stays there. Everything runs fine otherwise. I've swapped out the pressure sender, NAPA OP6091, and it's still pegging, so I'm suspecting the gauge. Anything else I could check? Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Received the mechanical gauge from Mike Drew today (thanks Mike). Put it on and started the motor, and it reads 60 lbs. at start and warm up at 1500 RPM's, not much less at idle (~900 when the choke lets go(, and only a little more when I rev. That doesn't seem right. I would expect it to drop pretty low at idle. Thoughts? Mike Thomas From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 7:19 PM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Thanks Mike, I'm going to look him up. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2016, at 18:43, Mike Thomas <[1]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: Rick Sanchez From: Richard Greenblum [[2]mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:53 PM To: Mike Thomas <[3]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Know it well, the zip code is 78154. It's right outside San Antonio and next to Randolph AFB, where I was stationed for most of my Air Force Reserve career. About 60 miles from my house in Austin. I'm sure Michael Frazier knows him. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 19:38, Mike Thomas <[4]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: Actually in a town called Schertz, not sure how close that is to you. Zip is 87154. Mike From: Richard Greenblum [[5]mailto:Richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 7:41 AM To: Mike Thomas <[6]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge That wasn't me, Mike. If there's another Richard in Austin with a Pantera, I'd like to meet him! Did you attend the Rally two years ago put on by Space City Panteras? From: Mike Thomas <[7]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 22:17 To: Richard Greenblum <[8]richard(a)richardgreenblum.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Thanks Richard Are you the same Richard in Texas who just bought my firewall cover? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Richard Greenblum [[9]mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:13 PM To: Mike Thomas <[10]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Mike, I obviously can't tell what your problem is from here, but mine did that for a while. When I tapped on the glass sometimes it would start working again, sometimes it wouldn't. Then it stopped and has been normal for a while. I think it's obviously the gauge. Richard Austin, TX Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 19:26, Mike Thomas <[11]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting a pegged reading on my oil pressure gauge. It will show normal pressure as the car starts, but soon after pegs to the right and stays there. Everything runs fine otherwise. I've swapped out the pressure sender, NAPA OP6091, and it's still pegging, so I'm suspecting the gauge. Anything else I could check? Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
by Charles Engles 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
by Charles Engles 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Dear Kjeld, I was told by my friend that the flooded Pantera is *supposed* to be listed through a big salvage auction company: Copart www.copart.com What I was told is the car is in or near Baton Rouge,Louisiana, but I do not know for sure. I will forward you the pictures sent to me. I tried twice to find the car listed on the Copart website, but without luck. My suggestion would be to call the people tomorrow and see if actual human to human telephone communication can determine if they do have the flooded Pantera for sale or not. If they do, then it will very likely be for sale by on line auction. That is all that I know. Good luck. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Kjeld Pedersen Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 3:11 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7 Hi. Where do i find the auktion for this flooded Pantera. Kjeld Pedersen Denmark. Sendt fra min iPad > Den 7. sep. 2016 kl. 18.00 skrev detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com: > > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > > > Daily Detomaso List Digest > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Asa Jay Laughton) > 2. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Corey Price) > 3. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Himes, Terry (397C)) > 4. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Jeff Cobb) > 5. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Ed Mendez) > 6. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Ed Mendez) > 7. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Bill Lewis) > 8. Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Reilly) > 9. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Charles Engles) > 10. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Scott Mead Photography) > 11. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jim Gray) > 12. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Julian Kift) > 13. Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Paul A Rimov) > 14. NPC: Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Drew) > 15. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (bill(a)incendium.com) > 16. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jeff Cobb) > 17. Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Ed Mendez) > 18. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Michael Becker) > 19. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Mike Drew) > 20. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive > (Asa Jay Laughton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:12:36 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: > <20160906091236.Horde.ar-Z_qWIOS8j_qGVt8ynMXJ(a)webmail.asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes > > For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had > time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, > Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace > (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to > reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only > occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation > was to not bother with it for most purposes. > > Asa Jay > > Quoting Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com>: > >> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly >> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the >> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. >> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm >> supports. Larry >> >> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you >>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street >>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although >>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only >>> taking briefs and bras... >>> >>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the >>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be >>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. >>> Julian >>> __________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >>> John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> >>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM >>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install >>> >>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to >>> figure out >>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by >>> Precision >>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks >>> like I >>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the >>> upper >>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to >>> plug >>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience >>> installing these plates? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home > ****************************************************** > http://www.w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0600 > From: Corey Price <coreyjprice(a)gmail.com> > To: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: <757BA10E-B268-4C5C-BB08-E9454A16E5F3(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm not an automotive engineer but I am a structural engineer and such bracing in the front trunk isn't my first choice in brace points. There's a couple other "elephants in the room" so to speak. I've had some good conversations with Goran Malmberg about his testing of torsional stiffness and tend to agree with his test results. I have Larry's bracing. There's two other really good locations to brace besides what Larry has: > > 1. The rear upper cross brace is useless and is a hinge where it needs to be stiff. There is significant twisting there. The Precision Proformance brace there helps. > 2. The interior of the car twists the most. Rocker strengthening or full roll cage would help if done right but I would only do a roll cage in a race car where a helmet is worn. Also, to brace it right, the passenger seat would be useless. > > Just my two cents. > > Corey > >> On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: >> >> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly >> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the >> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. >> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm >> supports. Larry >> >> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you >>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street >>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although >>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only >>> taking briefs and bras... >>> >>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the >>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be >>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. >>> Julian >>> __________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >>> John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> >>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM >>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install >>> >>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to >>> figure out >>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by >>> Precision >>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks >>> like I >>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the >>> upper >>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to >>> plug >>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience >>> installing these plates? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:03:08 +0000 > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> > To: "asajay(a)asajay.com" <asajay(a)asajay.com>, > "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: <D3F43B28.921AC%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The problem is, most place force you to buy both! Correct me if I'm wrong. > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> > ?? > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> > Reply-To: "asajay(a)asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>" <asajay(a)asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> > Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:12 AM > To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > > For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had > time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, > Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace > (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to > reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only > occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation > was to not bother with it for most purposes. > > Asa Jay > > Quoting Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>: > > If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly > useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the > upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. > Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm > supports. Larry > > On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" > <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com> on behalf of > julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you > are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street > car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although > maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only > taking briefs and bras... > > Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the > trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be > functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of > John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net<mailto:johnmckee@cox.net>> > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > > I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to > figure out > the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by > Precision > ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks > like I > would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the > upper > suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to > plug > weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience > installing these plates? > > Thank you, > > John > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve the archiving of list messages. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home > ****************************************************** > http://www.w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > >

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'73 L on eBay in Whittier, CA
by Larry Finch 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

The auction description lists the car as having 16 inch front wheels and 17 inch rear wheels. One of the photos shows the tire to be a Pirelli P7. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
by Owen Cooke 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

Guys I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked it extensively i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and therefore is poor on the handling side the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite wheels off the ground if you jack it from one corner i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further stiffening . the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but that is all in my opinion my car at least drives like a go-cart regards owen On 07/09/2016 17:00, detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com wrote: > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > > > Daily Detomaso List Digest > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Asa Jay Laughton) > 2. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Corey Price) > 3. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Himes, Terry (397C)) > 4. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Jeff Cobb) > 5. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Ed Mendez) > 6. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Ed Mendez) > 7. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Bill Lewis) > 8. Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Reilly) > 9. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Charles Engles) > 10. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Scott Mead Photography) > 11. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jim Gray) > 12. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Julian Kift) > 13. Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Paul A Rimov) > 14. NPC: Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Drew) > 15. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (bill(a)incendium.com) > 16. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jeff Cobb) > 17. Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Ed Mendez) > 18. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Michael Becker) > 19. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Mike Drew) > 20. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive > (Asa Jay Laughton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:12:36 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: > <20160906091236.Horde.ar-Z_qWIOS8j_qGVt8ynMXJ(a)webmail.asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes > > For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had > time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, > Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace > (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to > reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only > occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation > was to not bother with it for most purposes. > > Asa Jay > > Quoting Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com>: > >> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly >> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the >> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. >> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm >> supports. Larry >> >> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you >>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street >>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although >>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only >>> taking briefs and bras... >>> >>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the >>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be >>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. >>> Julian >>> __________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >>> John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> >>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM >>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install >>> >>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to >>> figure out >>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by >>> Precision >>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks >>> like I >>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the >>> upper >>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to >>> plug >>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience >>> installing these plates? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >> the list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
by Kjeld Pedersen 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

Hi. Where do i find the auktion for this flooded Pantera. Kjeld Pedersen Denmark. Sendt fra min iPad > Den 7. sep. 2016 kl. 18.00 skrev detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com: > > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > > > Daily Detomaso List Digest > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Asa Jay Laughton) > 2. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Corey Price) > 3. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Himes, Terry (397C)) > 4. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Jeff Cobb) > 5. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Ed Mendez) > 6. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Ed Mendez) > 7. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Bill Lewis) > 8. Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Reilly) > 9. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Charles Engles) > 10. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Scott Mead Photography) > 11. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jim Gray) > 12. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Julian Kift) > 13. Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Paul A Rimov) > 14. NPC: Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Drew) > 15. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (bill(a)incendium.com) > 16. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jeff Cobb) > 17. Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Ed Mendez) > 18. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Michael Becker) > 19. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Mike Drew) > 20. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive > (Asa Jay Laughton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:12:36 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: > <20160906091236.Horde.ar-Z_qWIOS8j_qGVt8ynMXJ(a)webmail.asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes > > For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had > time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, > Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace > (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to > reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only > occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation > was to not bother with it for most purposes. > > Asa Jay > > Quoting Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com>: > >> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly >> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the >> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. >> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm >> supports. Larry >> >> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you >>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street >>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although >>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only >>> taking briefs and bras... >>> >>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the >>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be >>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. >>> Julian >>> __________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >>> John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> >>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM >>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install >>> >>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to >>> figure out >>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by >>> Precision >>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks >>> like I >>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the >>> upper >>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to >>> plug >>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience >>> installing these plates? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home > ****************************************************** > http://www.w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0600 > From: Corey Price <coreyjprice(a)gmail.com> > To: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: <757BA10E-B268-4C5C-BB08-E9454A16E5F3(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm not an automotive engineer but I am a structural engineer and such bracing in the front trunk isn't my first choice in brace points. There's a couple other "elephants in the room" so to speak. I've had some good conversations with Goran Malmberg about his testing of torsional stiffness and tend to agree with his test results. I have Larry's bracing. There's two other really good locations to brace besides what Larry has: > > 1. The rear upper cross brace is useless and is a hinge where it needs to be stiff. There is significant twisting there. The Precision Proformance brace there helps. > 2. The interior of the car twists the most. Rocker strengthening or full roll cage would help if done right but I would only do a roll cage in a race car where a helmet is worn. Also, to brace it right, the passenger seat would be useless. > > Just my two cents. > > Corey > >> On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: >> >> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly >> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the >> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. >> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm >> supports. Larry >> >> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you >>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street >>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although >>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only >>> taking briefs and bras... >>> >>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the >>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be >>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. >>> Julian >>> __________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >>> John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> >>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM >>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install >>> >>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to >>> figure out >>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by >>> Precision >>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks >>> like I >>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the >>> upper >>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to >>> plug >>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience >>> installing these plates? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:03:08 +0000 > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> > To: "asajay(a)asajay.com" <asajay(a)asajay.com>, > "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: <D3F43B28.921AC%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The problem is, most place force you to buy both! Correct me if I'm wrong. > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> > ?? > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> > Reply-To: "asajay(a)asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>" <asajay(a)asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> > Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:12 AM > To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > > For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had > time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, > Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace > (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to > reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only > occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation > was to not bother with it for most purposes. > > Asa Jay > > Quoting Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>: > > If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly > useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the > upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. > Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm > supports. Larry > > On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" > <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you > are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street > car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although > maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only > taking briefs and bras... > > Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the > trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be > functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of > John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net<mailto:johnmckee@cox.net>> > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > > I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to > figure out > the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by > Precision > ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks > like I > would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the > upper > suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to > plug > weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience > installing these plates? > > Thank you, > > John > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve the archiving of list messages. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home > ****************************************************** > http://www.w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > >

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Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive
by Ed Mendez 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

Can anyone elaborate on the Pantera that was delivered to the Ford Executive? Supposedly his kids took the car out for a joy ride and crashed it? Is this just folklore or did it really happen? Do you know the month / year, what color the car was, any details, who the Executive was, etc? When Ford ordered a car that was a staff pool vehicle and not for retail sales, what did they generally do with them? Auto shows, advertising, etc? Would the Ford Executives car have been ordered that way from the factory? As a staff vehicle? Thanks, Ed

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Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
by bill＠incendium.com 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

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Another Scirocco for Mike Drew?
by Mike Reilly 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

All, saw this (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-vw-scirocco-mk-ii/) on BaT and thought of Mike. Mike – you can’t have enough of these : ) There is also a yellow 72 currently on BaT with shaved side markers and door handles. Nice looking car. Mike R. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 All, saw this (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-vw-scirocco-mk-ii/) on BaT and thought of Mike. Mike - you can't have enough of these : ) There is also a yellow 72 currently on BaT with shaved side markers and door handles. Nice looking car. Mike R. Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986

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Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
by Jim Gray 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

>From what I understand a title can be "scrubbed" sometimes as easily as retitling it in another state, or so I've been told. Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: Charles Engles Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 7:27 PM To: 'Ed Mendez' Cc: 'detomaso' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge Dear Ed, I am no expert with this topic and I suspect that Jeff Cobb knows far more about these things than I do, but the deal is that the insurance company has paid the Pantera for his claim. They now have , I think, salvage title to the Pantera. The insurance company wants to make money and/or minimize their loss on the claim so they are interested in selling it for whatever it will bring through Copart, who, I suspect, will get a cut of the action. So, IF I understand the situation the Pantera won’t be scrapped, but it will have it’s title marked SALVAGE or the Louisiana equivalent. So, assuming that you bought the Pantera, it would be all ready to be parted out. It would be difficult to restore it and then try to sell it with a Salvage Title, AFAIK. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:19 PM To: cengles(a)cox.net Cc: jeffcobb1(a)me.com; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge So they scrap cars even if they are classics? That is criminal if they scrap that Pantera. Ed On Sep 06, 2016, at 04:51 AM, cengles(a)cox.net wrote: Dear Jeff, I thought that perhaps you might reply and I thought that you would have a pretty good idea about what is going on with these flood damaged sports cars. I am glad that you're OK. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:11 PM, JEFFREY COBB wrote: Chuck, This car may not be for sale in Louisiana though loopholes are everywhere. Louisiana law states this and even more since this is a disaster area. Basically when the insurance totaled paid off and flooded car is free of its owner, it must be scrapped. Very sad to leave from after I spent weekend transporting people from flood waters to going to Monterey week and then back to this. I have one customer who lost 12 hot rods. I was lucky! Most dealers do not have used cars to sell and rent cars are coming in from five states away! Most did not have insurance because this never should ave happened at all! Two of my mechanics have been paid $22,000.each by FEMA within three days so far for the three feet of water in their homes. I felt wrong, guilty, confused, bad and sad leaving the next day but with my medical condition I could not go in butt deepwater full of feces, garbage and diesel/ gasoline fuels floating on top to help my friends. Enjoyed seeing and talking with you deTomaso guys and gals out in the dry world. Quack quack. Jeff Cobb Baton Rouge, La. 225-907-4514 Bordinat Mangusta -------------------------Newspaper article--------9/1/16------------- As of Wednesday, State Farm -- just one of the insurers that serves car owners in the area -- had received almost 18,000 auto claims related to flooding. That number was more than double the number of homeowner claims the company had received, spokesman Roszell Gadsen said. With such a large volume, towing companies have been stretched to the limit. aWeave been working around the clock,a said Ronnie Stewart, of Stewartas Towing in Livingston Parish. aItas been hectic and crazy,a Stewart said. He estimated that his company, a small one with four trucks, had towed more than 300 cars since the waters receded. There were still plenty more left to be towed. aWe probably havenat put a dent in all the cars thatas flooded,a he said. In East Baton Rouge Parish, the woman who answered the phone at Roadrunner Towing said there were no words to describe how busy it had been. Roadrunner, which has contracts with several local police agencies, had towed more than 700 vehicles by midweek. Most of the cars are being taken to private towers' yards or large auto salvage yards like Insurance Auto Auctions in Livingston or Copart in Greenwell Springs. Jeanene OaBrien, of Insurance Auto Auctions, said the company is handling athousands of cars per day.a A caras trip to one of these yards will be the first leg of its journey to the compactor or the junkyard. When a flood-damaged car arrives at Insurance Auto Auctionsa yard in Livingston, for example, the vehicle identification number is registered with both the National Insurance Crime Bureau and the National Motor Vehicle Title Information System. RELATED [1]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before applying for FEMA assistance [2]Why you may not need to file an insurance claim before applying for FEMA assistance People whose flood-damaged homes and vehicles weren't covered by flood insurance or with coma| The state's Office of Motor Vehicles also will issue a certificate of destruction for any car that is totaled because of a gubernatorially declared disaster. The certificate is reported to those same national databases as a "fatal brand," or one that should prevent the car from being sold for anything besides parts or scrap. Insurance Auto Auctions sells only to licensed dealers, scrappers or dismantlers, OaBrien said. Members of the public cannot purchase cars from the company's lots in Louisiana. The process has improved since Hurricane Katrina, when thousands of destroyed cars remained under highway overpasses for months, said Jill Jarreau, of the OMV. -----------33-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3--2-2-2-2--2-2--2-4//5/4-4-4-4-4 -3- [3]Insurance Journal - Property Casualty Industry News Featured Stories [4]Typhoon Lionrock in Japan [5]Insurance News a Decade Ago News Markets Jobs a-c- a-c- a-c- [6]Most Popular a-c- [7]National a-c- [8]International a-c- [9]East a-c- [10]Midwest a-c- [11]South Centr Louisiana Reminds Insurers of Flooded Vehicle Requirements August 18, 2016 flooded car a-c- [12]Email This a-c- [13]Print a-c- [14]Newsletters a-c- a-c- a-c- [15]in Share8 a-c- [16]Article a-c- [17]1 Comments The Louisiana Department of Insurance has issued a reminder to insurance companies regarding the Certificate of Destruction title requirements for flooded vehicles. The department issued the bulletin following the federal declaration of disaster due to the recent [18]massive flooding in Southeast Louisiana. A Certificate of Destruction is a type of title for water damaged vehicle that has been declared a total loss. The department said that when, as a result of an insurance settlement, a motor vehicle is determined to be a total loss due to water damage, Louisiana law requires the insurance company acquiring ownership of the vehicle to send the certificate of title to the Office of Motor Vehicles along with an application for a Certificate of Destruction. The certificate and application must be sent to the OMV within 30 days from the settlement of the claim. Source: Louisiana Department of Insurance Related: a-c- [19]As Louisiana Surveys Flood Damage, Death Toll Rises a-c- [20]AIR Worldwide: Louisianaas Record Rainfall Caused by Low-Pressure System a-c- [21]6 Dead, Tens of Thousands Evacuated in Louisiana Flooding Get Insurance Journal subscribe a-c- [22]Email This a-c- [23]Print a-c- [24]Newsletters a-c- a-c- a-c- [25]in Share8 a-c- Categories: [26]Texas / South Central News a-c- Topics: [27]auto insurance, [28]Certificate of Destruction title requirements, [29]federal declaration of disaster, [30]flooded vehicles, [31]flooding in Southeast Louisiana, [32]Louisiana Department of Insurance, [33]Office of Motor Vehicles, [34]total loss, [35]water damaged vehicle a-c- ----------------------------------- On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Charles Engles < [36]cengles(a)cox.net> wrote: Dear Forum, An insurance adjustor friend of a Pantera friend told him that this Pantera is flooded and has been totaled and is available with a salvage title in Baton Rouge. It appears to be pretty stock. One picture I did not include shows the tub with a space saver spare plus the red inflator. The pictures seem to show a high water mark above the window sills. It seems that this car is *supposed* to be available for online auction through: [1]http://www.copart.com I have tried searching for it three times and can't find it on their site although there are lots of flood damaged and other cars there, i.e. Ferraris and Maseratis, etc, in small numbers. Supposedly the value on the car was said to be "$10,000". However, all the cars on the site are up for bid with a few "drivers" also available for a "buy it now" price. Finally, it seems that you have to register and pay a fee before you can bid. However, if you're keen for a "deal", then perhaps calling the Baton Rouge Copart salvage yard might be advantageous. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles References 1. 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