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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
by Charles Engles 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Dear Audiohut and Effie, Well, yes, we are brought together by our passion and love for the Pantera. Yes, it is only a car club. However, I have found that, at this point, I enjoy the Pantera people as much as or more than the wonderful Pantera. Because I have been around long enough to know personally or by reputation many of the Forum members and POCA members, I respect them as extraordinary people with whom I share a mutual fascination for the Pantera. It only a car club, but the fabric of the club is the people. When their voluntary unpaid efforts and contributions are belittled and disrespected to the point that they lose heart and drop out of the fabric, that is appalling. Granted the miracle of the new Forum keeps them in touch with us, it is still a loss to us and to the club. It is something more than a minor difference of opinion or point of view about a car or a car club. For what it's worth. Still philosophically yours, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of audionut(a)hushmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 3:22 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Damn. Hate to see this happen. Why should anything that is going on personally amongst POCA members get to the point where folks are quitting? I mean, it's just a car club, right? If people start an organization out of love for a special car and the whole thing turns into some kind of petty battleground, what the hell is the point? Isn't it supposed to be fun to enjoy and preserve our cars together? Seems very odd to me that the simple human value of having fun, with the Pantera interest in particular, is not being held higher than nose-to-the-grindstone, hard-core business values that some feel must be maintained with fanatical fervor. I do not pretend to know all the inside details here-- I can only say that I do not give a flying turd if we spend too much $$ on a certain print shop or whether we recruit new members. I don't even understand "recruiting" anyway. Whenever someone tries to recruit me for anything, I feel like whatever it is they want me to join must suck or else they wouldn't feel the need to do it. Let new Pantera people come to us. ( I will miss the newsletter in the mail for sure. There is no chance that I will go digging for it on the internet.) So maybe we voted "Vlad The Impaler" to the POCA helm? Oops. Oh well, looks like we gotta ride this one out, folks. Not a big deal, unless you are among the politburo and are not digging it. If that is the case, by all means bow-out. I sure would. But, to me anyway, POCA is all of us Pantera lovers and that can only amount to more good than bad. Sorry to see someone go who was doing a great job with Profiles and who clearly had a passion for doing so. That job is no cakewalk. Sent using Hushmail On June 7, 2016 at 8:39 PM, gonancy(a)juno.com wrote:Dear Forum, Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put it out to the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney know that I am ending my membership in POCA effective immediately. That means my associate member, the Profiles Editor, will be leaving also. Mike has the June issue at the printer's right now. It will be his last issue. As an aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA website, even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate member, not a "true " member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it. How do you like that? Makes him sound like a second class citizen. It's been a great 25 years, GoNancy Haney P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was all I could do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I could not believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a real piece of work. ____________________________________________________________ Nextiva vFAX Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5757934166446134075b2st03vuc _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Anybody know....
by cengles＠cox.net 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Dear Tom, I do remember that name from years ago. That is all my fuzzy memory can recall. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso wrote: > I met a guy in a new golf group I started playing with that said when > he lived in Denver he knew a guy named Jay Popp who had several > Panteras and attended the Fun Rallys in Vegas. > > > I looked for his name in the POCA directory and saw that he wasn't > listed. > > > I was just curious if anybody knew Jay and if he is still in the > Pantera circle. > > Tom > 5186 > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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FW: Anybody know....
by The DeTomaso Registry Guy 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

I met a guy in a new golf group I started playing with that said when he lived in Denver he knew a guy named Jay Popp who had several Panteras and attended the Fun Rallys in Vegas. I looked for his name in the POCA directory and saw that he wasn't listed. I was just curious if anybody knew Jay and if he is still in the Pantera circle. Tom 5186 Tom, Jay Popp has a GT5-S in the registry, but he has not yet shared any photos. There are 2 more cars that list him as a past owner, with photos and details added by others. So the name is correct. Chuck

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Anybody know....
by Tom Shinrock 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

I met a guy in a new golf group I started playing with that said when he lived in Denver he knew a guy named Jay Popp who had several Panteras and attended the Fun Rallys in Vegas. I looked for his name in the POCA directory and saw that he wasn't listed. I was just curious if anybody knew Jay and if he is still in the Pantera circle. Tom 5186 I met a guy in a new golf group I started playing with that said when he lived in Denver he knew a guy named Jay Popp who had several Panteras and attended the Fun Rallys in Vegas. I looked for his name in the POCA directory and saw that he wasn't listed. I was just curious if anybody knew Jay and if he is still in the Pantera circle. Tom 5186

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Techno Question: How to check U joints integrity?
by Charles Engles 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Dear Forum, The issue of loose or not U joints has come up. The C clips and paint are intact without bare metal showing. I can't remember the simple drill that, I think, begins with jacking up the rear of the Pantera and then..rotating the wheel back and forth??? Clarification is welcome. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, The issue of loose or not U joints has come up. The C clips and paint are intact without bare metal showing. I can't remember the simple drill that, I think, begins with jacking up the rear of the Pantera and then....rotating the wheel back and forth??? Clarification is welcome. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
by cengles＠cox.net 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Dear Ed, I do appreciate your efforts at mediation, but given the phenomenon of the Michael Short era, I think that the increasing number of good people that have volunteered their time and efforts to support POCA, who are proactively leaving or planning on letting their membership lapse, speaks to a fundamental problem that won't be resolved by stepping away from the computer screen........... Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Ed Mendez wrote: > Quitting is only going to hurt the club and the people in it who love > you. We are all family here. Quit because of one person you don't > agree with? Quit because of a family member you don't get along with? > If we all did that none of us would be working in our day jobs, or > have a family at all. > > I assume punch my brother in the face, but he is still my brother and > that would really piss off my mom. > > Just saying. > Better that maybe we all just step away from the computer screen for a > while, there's a whole big world out there. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus > >> On 8/06/2016, at 17:14, Stephen <steve(a)snclocks.com> wrote: >> >> Dear GoNancy Haney - I can readily understand your letting go of your >> POCA >> membership - right now the leadership is proving to be just plain >> polarizing. Just don't let go of this forum! And, one day, when >> hoof in >> mouth is not so rampant you can perhaps rejoin. >> >> Stephen Nelson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf >> Of gonancy(a)juno.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:38 PM >> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA >> >> Dear Forum, >> Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and >> spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put it >> out to >> the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney know that >> I am >> ending my membership in POCA effective immediately. That means my >> associate >> member, the Profiles Editor, will be leaving also. Mike has the June >> issue >> at the printer's right now. It will be his last issue. As an >> aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA website, >> even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate member, not a >> "true " >> member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it. How >> do you >> like that? Makes him sound like a second class citizen. >> It's been a great 25 years, >> GoNancy Haney >> >> P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was all >> I could >> do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I could not >> believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a real piece >> of work. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Nextiva vFAX >> Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5757934166446134075b2st03vuc >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 >> Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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FW: NPC - Processed some vintage race in-car footage
by Larry - Ohio Time 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

<< forgot to tell everyone else they were in it!!! >> Especially when it is my part of the world! I will come out if you'r in it. Larry (Lake Erie islands Key West of the north) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:30 AM To: Kurt Byrnes Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Processed some vintage race in-car footage Kurt, Looks to me like there was a race and somebody forgot to tell everyone else they were in it!!! Well done! What is it you're driving? Looks like a Morgan maybe? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> wrote: > > Here's a few bits of a race I did last summer at Put-In-Bay Ohio. Back in the 50's, there were road races on the island. A few years ago, some friends wanted to honor the old races and restart racing on the island. Put-In-Bay Road Race Reunion was born. There are round table discussions with old racers who raced back in the day, a re-enactment of the old course, rocker cover races, etc. The website is http://pibroadrace.com/ > > > The races are now run at the airport. For two days, they close it down in the morning, build the course with hay bales, we race, and they tear it all back down so planes can land by evening. > > > They have an exhibition class that may let Pantera's in so if you're looking for something to do in late August, come on out. Races are held during the week since PIB is supposed to be the adult version of spring break every weekend in the summer. > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerjbkhmBCU > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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POCA Forum Rules? Really?
by Corey Price 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

I'm going to post this anyway. I'm kinda getting deja vu here... I read the new POCA forum rules. I find it interesting that if anyone in the POCA Board of Directors, "Website Admins" (whoever that is), or the "Moderating Team" (whoever that is again) thinks you're posting something on the new POCA forum that they don't like, they can remove it and revoke your membership (not clear if that's your forum membership or club membership). You can be banned because someone didn't like your point of view. Seems kinda harsh to me; isn't this what tyrannical governments do by controlling information? I warned the email forum about this when the new POCA forum was supposed to supersede the email forum. I specifically asked who was moderating it and the reply from the POCA President was that nobody was, which I snickered at silently and held my tongue. Thank you, Kurt, for getting the email forum back together. I'm happy to see so many of you posting here. It's really fun! Corey I'm going to post this anyway. I'm kinda getting deja vu here... I read the new POCA forum rules.A I find it interesting that if anyone in the POCA Board of Directors, "Website Admins" (whoever that is), or the "Moderating Team" (whoever that is again) thinks you're posting something on the new POCA forum that they don't like, they can remove it and revoke your membership (not clear if that's your forum membership or club membership). You can be banned because someone didn't like your point of view. Seems kinda harsh to me; isn't this what tyrannical governments do by controlling information? I warned the email forum about this when the new POCA forum was supposed to supersede the email forum.A I specifically asked who was moderating it and the reply from the POCA President was that nobody was, which I snickered at silently and held my tongue. Thank you, Kurt, for getting the email forum back together.A I'm happy to see so many of you posting here.A It's really fun! Corey

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More Thank You's
by Asa Jay Laughton 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Oh my gosh how could I have forgotten Sweet Old Bill Taylor. My apologies Bill. Bill is another great contributor who took many hours to untangle the one-page wiring diagrams for the Pantera and make sense of them. Teaming up with Mike Dailey and The Pantera Place, Bill posted his diagrams for all to use. I myself have referred to his diagrams on more than one occasion. Bill was also the first recipient of the Team Pantera Racing SOBill Award for contributions in the best sense of "paying it forward." http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&… http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&… We salute you Bill, and give credit to Mike Dailey for his web based contributions as well. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: I would also like to express a huge Thank You to SOBill Taylor and Chuck Engles. IndyDave Oh my gosh how could I have forgotten Sweet Old Bill Taylor. My apologies Bill. Bill is another great contributor who took many hours to untangle the one-page wiring diagrams for the Pantera and make sense of them. Teaming up with Mike Dailey and The Pantera Place, Bill posted his diagrams for all to use. I myself have referred to his diagrams on more than one occasion. Bill was also the first recipient of the Team Pantera Racing SOBill Award for contributions in the best sense of "paying it forward." [1]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=a rticle&id=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=a rticle&id=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 We salute you Bill, and give credit to Mike Dailey for his web based contributions as well. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <[3]dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: I would also like to express a huge Thank You to SOBill Taylor and Chuck Engles. IndyDave References 1. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&… 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&… 3. mailto:dave@damardirect.com

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Re: [DeTomaso] More Thank You's
by SOBill＠aol.com 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Aw, shucks. I could never trace anything on the big diagrams and since problems are normally identified to individual functions I just made single function electrical diagrams. They are handy in that you can print them out and take them to the car with you. Plus, I enjoyed doing it. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 6/7/2016 11:38:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: Oh my gosh how could I have forgotten Sweet Old Bill Taylor. My apologies Bill. Bill is another great contributor who took many hours to untangle the one-page wiring diagrams for the Pantera and make sense of them. Teaming up with Mike Dailey and The Pantera Place, Bill posted his diagrams for all to use. I myself have referred to his diagrams on more than one occasion. Bill was also the first recipient of the Team Pantera Racing SOBill Award for contributions in the best sense of "paying it forward." http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i d=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i d=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 We salute you Bill, and give credit to Mike Dailey for his web based contributions as well. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: I would also like to express a huge Thank You to SOBill Taylor and Chuck Engles. IndyDave Aw, shucks. I could never trace anything on the big diagrams and since problems are normally identified to individual functions I just made single function electrical diagrams. They are handy in that you can print them out and take them to the car with you. Plus, I enjoyed doing it. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 6/7/2016 11:38:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: Oh my gosh how could I have forgotten Sweet Old Bill Taylor. My apologies Bill. Bill is another great contributor who took many hours to untangle the one-page wiring diagrams for the Pantera and make sense of them. Teaming up with Mike Dailey and The Pantera Place, Bill posted his diagrams for all to use. I myself have referred to his diagrams on more than one occasion. Bill was also the first recipient of the Team Pantera Racing SOBill Award for contributions in the best sense of "paying it forward." http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=a rticle&id=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=a rticle&id=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 We salute you Bill, and give credit to Mike Dailey for his web based contributions as well. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: I would also like to express a huge Thank You to SOBill Taylor and Chuck Engles. IndyDave

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