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Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper issue
by SOBill＠aol.com 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Ed, The bumper repair article is at http://www.panteraplace.com/page158.htm The spray coating is SEM #39103 Black Bumper Surfacer available at any professional auto body repair supply store. This is super stuff made for coating this exact type of bumper and produces a perfect finish. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 6/6/2016 11:00:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: Aloha My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the black bumper. Any suggestions about this problem. Ed Kemper Honolulu Aloha My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the black bumper. Any suggestions about this problem. Ed Kemper Honolulu _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Ed, The bumper repair article is at [1]http://www.panteraplace.com/page158.htm The spray coating is SEM #39103 Black Bumper Surfacer available at any professional auto body repair supply store. This is super stuff made for coating this exact type of bumper and produces a perfect finish. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 6/6/2016 11:00:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: Aloha My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the black bumper. Any suggestions about this problem. Ed Kemper Honolulu Aloha My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the black bumper. Any suggestions about this problem. Ed Kemper Honolulu _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://www.panteraplace.com/page158.htm

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Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper issue
by cengles＠cox.net 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Dear Ed, If you don't get any prompt answers, then email me later today (tomorrow Hawaii time??). IIRC, down in the catacombs, in the archives, there was an article about how to refinish a black L model front rubber bumper. It may take me a while to find it. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:00 AM, edracers--- via DeTomaso wrote: > Aloha > My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now > the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand > off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the > black bumper. > > Any suggestions about this problem. > > > Ed Kemper > Honolulu > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper issue
by grayjim＠cox.net 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Also take a look on Pantera Place. I think that article may be posted there. Jim Gray On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:40 AM, cengles(a)cox.net wrote: > Dear Ed, > > > If you don't get any prompt answers, then email me > later today (tomorrow Hawaii time??). IIRC, down in the catacombs, in > the archives, there was an article about how to refinish a black L > model front rubber bumper. It may take me a while to find it. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:00 AM, edracers--- via DeTomaso wrote: > >> Aloha >> My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now >> the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand >> off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the >> black bumper. >> >> Any suggestions about this problem. >> >> >> Ed Kemper >> Honolulu >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Thank you's to a lot of people (Was: POCA business on this forum)
by cengles＠cox.net 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Dear Asa, That is a very well balanced statement of moderation that gives praise where it is due. Considering the source, it is most certainly sincere. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:57 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > I'd like to take a moment to give thanks you's to a whole lot of > people, too numerous to name actually, who have contributed to the > overall Pantera ownership experience. It all starts with real people, > the kind who actually know things about the cars; and more importantly > know the -right- things about the cars, and other people. Perhaps > even more important in a forum like this is the breadth of knowledge > and the choices of potential fixes or solutions one can choose from, > all most certainly from learned people. > > I'd also like to a put a thank you out to George Pence of the PI > forum. Yes, I too really miss the awesome magazine coming to my > inbox. I really started missing it after the really awesome last > couple of issues. I miss a bit more interaction with PI too, but I > will say say this, the PI forum is another awesome car forum on the > Internet. No, I don't frequent it, but it's easy to see it gets > attention, and from a large group of people who don't frequent this > email list. The PI forum has filled that niche for several years and > has a good amount of great information on the Pantera and other > DeTomaso automobiles in addition to other banter. Yes, it's moderated > and some folks have found themselves banned from the forum... well, > that's his call, but my thanks are still in place for continuing to > provide an alternative for Pantera owners. > > The Pantera Vendors. A Big thank you to those business owners who > have stuck with the Pantera for decades. I recently heard that if you > have a broken down 80's Countach, that there is only ONE guy in the > entire US that can repair the on-board electronic computer to make it > run again. Really? In the Pantera world we have several vendors who > can get you just about anything and talk you through just about any > repair over the phone. These people are fantastic. Could we spend > more? Maybe, but sending them a little money now and then for good > parts and service will help ensure they stay in business. > > POCA, the one Pantera club that's outlasted them all. A yearly Fun > Rally where you'll see more Panteras than a dealer ever did. > Reprinted publications that you can buy and refer to in your garage, a > monthly newsletter and quarterly magazine to remind you once a month > and once a quarter that you've got something special parked in your > garage. > > The one point I'd like to make here is that behind all of this are the > people who make it all happen. There are some names in the Pantera > world that many will recognize, and not because they sought any sort > of fame but because they have contributed time, energy, personal > experience and a "passion" for building relationships centered around > the Pantera: > > Gary Hall > Dennis Quella > Steve Wilkinson > Larry Stock > Jack DeRyke (what doesn't he know?) > Ted Mitchell (who knew everything before Jack did, I think) > Judy McCartney (membership lady!) > Rod Kunishige (database man!) > Dan Jones (more than I could ever hope to know about 351C engines) > Mike Drew (left Jay Leno speechless) > Les Gray (past president of POCA multiple times) > Kent and Sandi Snyder (I've affectionately referred to them as Mr and > Mrs. Fun Rally :) > Bob Reid > Bill Van Ess (first published Pantera registry) > George Pence > Marino Perna > Tony Harvey (Drive-it) > Mark McWhinney > Curt Toumanian > Dennis Antenucci > > ... and I'm sure a whole lot more. These are the kind of people who > built relationships to expand the passion of Pantera ownership. These > are the kind of people who want to continue in that regard as well. > > Are there, and will there be differing opinions and personalities? > Yes, there always will be, but it's how we interact with others that > measures our true integrity. How do we treat people in private as > well as public? > > I myself have had some heated words in the past that were made in > haste, and I've had to come back around and apologize for them. I > think each "bad" interaction helps teach me more about the person I'm > supposed to be, rather than the nasty person I know I could be. I > think that is the measure of our integrity, do we learn from our > mistakes, have we told the truth, can we stand behind what we've said? > Can we muster the necessary humility when needed? > > Some can, some can't. > > Without the kind relationships I built through many if not most if not > actually ALL the people I listed above, I would not have enjoyed > owning my Pantera and having as much fun with it as I could. It truly > is the owner-community that makes it all worth while (for me anyway), > not just some web site, not just some email forum, not just a fun > rally, or newsletters, or quarterly magazine. All those things > contribute to the experience, but without the people..... I might as > well own a Yugo. > > I think at this point, most folks have formed an opinion of current > POCA leadership, good or bad. I think those who care have probably > said their peace. To that end, I think we've exhausted the > illustration of what's happening and I'd like to perhaps give a gentle > reminder that in the words of Michael Shortt himself something like > only 2% of actual POCA members frequent this list. > > I can respect those who have wanted to air their grievances and I > think some have done so in far better fashion than others. I'd like > to encourage us all to find our Pantera voices again and stimulate > some good old fashion bench racing or problem solving. Oh.... and > note that I do not share in any moderation duties of this list > anymore. Kurt has a good handle on it and knows where to go if he > ever needs help. > > Get to it! > Asa Jay > > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > On 6/6/2016 5:53 PM, msm(a)portata.com wrote: >> Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of >> contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community. >> > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
by cengles＠cox.net 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Dear Ken, You are a man of discriminating taste. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > I don't read Shortt's posts, just delete them, so I didn't see it > before I saw Scott's re-post. Sorry Scott. > Ken > > From: Forest Goodhart <forestg(a)att.net> > To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 9:45 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > Ken, > > It appeared as if the post was written by Scott but if you read to > the > end you will see that this was written by POCA President Michael > Shortt. > > I've met Scott and I don't believe he could ever have written > something > as hateful as this. I have been hoping that Mr. Shortt had mellowed > out > but apparently not. > > Forest > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: "scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com" <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com>; Rod > Kunishige > <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> > Cc: "<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>" > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > Scott, > I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you really > don't > know Rod. I think Rod has always been a positive influence on the > group in general, and every experience I have had with him has > been > positive. Rod has contributed as much or more to the community > than > anyone I know. If you every need a goodwill ambassador for the > Pantera > community, I think Rod would be high on the list. > Ken > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso > <[1]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> > Cc: "<[3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>" > <[4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, > up > until now, I have tried to > remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until > Michael > Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, > you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual > diarrhea. > Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not > part > of any equation on my worksheet. > You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for > something to benefit the membership instead of dealing > with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social > personality > type addicted to drama. > That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to > censure > you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing > BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I > believe > in > an > earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, > go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, > instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend > structure and civility. > If you make another very poor decision to continue these > actions, I > will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove > you from this club. > I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough > votes > now in place to secure both outcomes. > This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team > player > and > use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead > of trying to destroy it from within. > Michael Shortt > President > POCA" > Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club? > On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige > <[1][1][5]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > Am I to be removed from the POCA? > Rod > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: [2][2][6]michaelsavga(a)gmail.com > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > To: [3][3][7]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com > CC: [4][4][8]jpoca2(a)hotmail.com; [5][5][9]JDeRyke(a)aol.com; > [6][6][10]MBGlobalSc(a)aol.com; > [7][7][11]jb841(a)cox.net; [8][8][12]RREIDCPA(a)aol.com; > [9][9][13]paso750(a)gmail.com; > [10][10][14]qrtlow(a)gmail.com; [11][11][15]edducati(a)mac.com > Mr. Kunishige, > It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized > POCA > which operates through channels escapes you. > It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails > with > you, that member should know that > when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them > for > violating BOD policy. > Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not > entitled > to > our work emails, discussions or methodologies > used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed > amongst > ourselves, these same issues > are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting > where > all members can hear how we take care of business. > I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD > meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse > can happen even between people with disparate points of view. > It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the > last > 10 > years of POCA pretty much proves that point. > In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to > operate > a > business successfully relates to our situation how? > While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, > everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first > year > and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your > chance > of > still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best. > Here is why most new businesses fail. > 1 Incompetence > 46 % > Emotional Pricing > Living too high for the business > Nonpayment of taxes > No knowledge of pricing > Lack of planning > No knowledge of financing > No experience in record-keeping > 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience > 30 % > Poor credit granting practices > Expansion too rapid > Inadequate borrowing practices > 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services > 11 % > Carry inadequate inventory > No knowledge of suppliers > Wasted advertising budget > 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster > 1 % > Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, > that's > the biggest failure of all. > You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, > up > until now, I have tried to > remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until > Michael > Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, > you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual > diarrhea. > Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not > part > of any equation on my worksheet. > You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for > something to benefit the membership instead of dealing > with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social > personality > type addicted to drama. > That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to > censure > you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing > BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I > believe > in > an > earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, > go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, > instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend > structure and civility. > If you make another very poor decision to continue these > actions, I > will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove > you from this club. > I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough > votes > now in place to secure both outcomes. > This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team > player > and > use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead > of trying to destroy it from within. > Michael Shortt > President > POCA > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be > legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the > sender > that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez > <[12][12][16]edducati(a)mac.com> > wrote: > What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss > POCA > business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", > and > "take it offline" did you not understand? > By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email > list > with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; > you > are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is > adversely > effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members. > Copying the BOD. > Kind regards, > Ed > > On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige > <[13][13][17]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Ed Menedez, > > > > You say that facts are clearly important to you. > > > > So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS > May > 16, 2016 > > email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design > henceforth: > > > > O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come > full > color > > printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a > new > printer, > > and mailing partner. > > > > O/ The existing printer will not print anything else > for > POCA > > after the June newsletter. > > > > O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, > > > > O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout > > designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total > space > to > > advertising content display. > > the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 > pages > in > total > > space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. > & > 1/2 page > > horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page > ad. > > > > O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so > that > he will > > have the final say on ad placement before adthing is > printed. > > > > O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will > have > to > buy > > ads to reach our memb ers. > > > > O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned > up > POCA Road > > Script and POCA crest. > > > > Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed > space > > allocations for both pubs without consideration for content > > adjustments. > > > > My view is that these are clearly directives not > suggestions > to > > consider to fellow POCA Board Members. > > > > Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most > pleased to > > publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it > within > its > > full context. > > NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications > of > the > > writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of > 35 > years > > was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also > owned > and > > operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF > Bay > Area for > > 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent > Toy > Store for > > 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my > background. I > > LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me > throughout the > > decades. > > Rod > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [14][14][18]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > > [15][15][19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, > unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future > members > of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to > maintain > an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > -- > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > [16]www.michaelshortt.com > [17][16][20]michael(a)michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be > legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby > notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of > this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the > sender > that > you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > References > 1. mailto:[17][21]rkunishige@hotmail.com > 2. mailto:[18][22]michaelsavga@gmail.com > 3. mailto:[19][23]rkunishige@hotmail.com > 4. mailto:[20][24]jpoca2@hotmail.com > 5. mailto:[21][25]JDeRyke@aol.com > 6. mailto:[22][26]MBGlobalSc@aol.com > 7. mailto:[23][27]jb841@cox.net > 8. mailto:[24][28]RREIDCPA@aol.com > 9. mailto:[25][29]paso750@gmail.com > 10. mailto:[26][30]qrtlow@gmail.com > 11. mailto:[27][31]edducati@mac.com > 12. mailto:[28][32]edducati@mac.com > 13. mailto:[29][33]rkunishige@hotmail.com > 14. mailto:[30][34]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 15. > [31][35]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 16. [32][36]http://www.michaelshortt.com/ > 17. mailto:[33][37]michael@michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [34][38]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [35][39]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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Randy Klutzke
by marshall smith 06 Jun '16

06 Jun '16

Hey Randy, If this reaches you, please email me back at marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net Thanks! Marshall

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Thank you
by Rod Kunishige 06 Jun '16

06 Jun '16

For re-establishing this forum. It remains the best because of the many contributors who support it. Rod For re-establishing this forum. It remains the best because of the many contributors who support it. Rod

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
by Charles Engles 05 Jun '16

05 Jun '16

Dear Ed, I have heard of these impositions on the Editors of the Newsletter and Profiles. In my years as a POCA member, I have written many articles for Profiles. I currently have a multipage and multi-illustrated article submitted to Mike Haney. I think it is one my best articles. As a contributing author, I can tell you that the apparent mandates in the MS email below will, in my opinion, have a negative effect on the layout and editing of my article. If this goes through and if it is as restrictive as I suspect, then it will very likely have a chilling effect on authors contributing to Profiles. Please reconsider this and let the Editor do what he is supposed to do. Sincerely, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Rod Kunishige Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 5:12 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum Ed Menedez, You say that facts are clearly important to you. So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, 2016 email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design henceforth: Ø Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full color printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new printer, and mailing partner. Ø The existing printer will not print anything else for POCA after the June newsletter. Ø Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, Ø effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to advertising content display. the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in total space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 page horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. Ø You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that he will have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. Ø The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to buy ads to reach our memb ers. Ø We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up POCA Road Script and POCA crest. Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space allocations for both pubs without consideration for content adjustments. My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to consider to fellow POCA Board Members. Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased to publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within its full context. NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 years was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned and operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay Area for 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy Store for 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my background. I LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me throughout the decades. Rod

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POCA business on this forum
by Rod Kunishige 05 Jun '16

05 Jun '16

Ed Menedez, You say that facts are clearly important to you. So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS’ May 16, 2016 email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design henceforth: Ø Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full color printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new printer, and mailing partner. Ø The existing printer will not print anything else for POCA after the June newsletter. Ø Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, Ø …effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to advertising content display. the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in total space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 page horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. Ø You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that he will have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. Ø The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to buy ads to reach our memb ers. Ø We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up POCA Road Script and POCA crest. Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space allocations for both pubs without consideration for content adjustments. My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to consider to fellow POCA Board Members. Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, I’ll be most pleased to publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within its full context. NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 years was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned and operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay Area for 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy Store for 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my background. I LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me throughout the decades. Rod Ed Menedez, You say that facts are clearly important to you. So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, 2016 email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design henceforth: O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full color printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new printer, and mailing partner. O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for POCA after the June newsletter. O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to advertising content display. the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in total space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 page horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that he will have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to buy ads to reach our memb ers. O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up POCA Road Script and POCA crest. Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space allocations for both pubs without consideration for content adjustments. My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to consider to fellow POCA Board Members. Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased to publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within its full context. NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 years was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned and operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay Area for 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy Store for 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my background. I LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me throughout the decades. Rod

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MaxJax
by Michael Simmons 05 Jun '16

05 Jun '16

Dick, I have one of these and love it. Took several drill bits to complete the holes in my slab, but it was well worth it. Be aware that it doesn’t go high enough to walk around under. I use a roll-around mechanics seat. Mike

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