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Pantera Alignment Rear
by Ed Mendez 02 Jun '16

02 Jun '16

Setting Caster on a Pantera. Should there be positive or negative Caster in the rear up right?

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Need Pantera Books
by Fred 02 Jun '16

02 Jun '16

I have a few of the tech books on Pantera, but not all. If anyone has a list of all the tech and parts books, please email me with a list or direcrt me to a dealer who handles them. I DO have the 14 Factory updates, the notes of a member who lists many "fixes", and the larger Tech Info in the 3 ring binder. I'm not looking for coffee table books. As usual, thanks for all past help from incredibly knowledgeable members. Also, let's do everything possible to keep this club vibrant. Virtually all the clubs I belong to in different fields have their intrigue and problems due to difference of opinions. We are better than that. Work out differences one-on-one. Hopefully, there is common ground.

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A pair of 10 in, 2 1/2 ID 550 pound springs for sale, $30 + shipping
by Ken Green 02 Jun '16

02 Jun '16

If anyone wants these email me. The measure 10 inches so no apparent "sagging". Pretty rough blue paint, need repainting. They were on a pair of shocks I bought and I wanted different rate springs. I had the rate measured when the shocks were rebuilt. Ken If anyone wants these email me. The measure 10 inches so no apparent "sagging". Pretty rough blue paint, need repainting. They were on a pair of shocks I bought and I wanted different rate springs. I had the rate measured when the shocks were rebuilt. Ken

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Sider marker lens needed
by B Hower 02 Jun '16

02 Jun '16

Anyone have a right rear side marker lens they would part with? If so please contact me off line. I see I have one missing from Lolita. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) Anyone have a right rear side marker lens they would part with? If so please contact me off line. I see I have one missing from Lolita. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )

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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

You have me a little confused here with "RH thread on the right/driver side and a LH thread on the left/pax side# :-D Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 29/5/2016 10:38:21 PM To: guson@home.se;MikeLDrew@aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? "I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH thread." Don't go all Jack DeRyke on me, lest I put a video on YouTube, I've got the VW hardware at my fingertips. Visualize the front wheel bearing following the wheel on the left side of the car viewed from the rear, a LH thread tightens if the nut follows the wheel and spinning bearing. This would only come into play only after successive prior failures, that was the analogy to the axle nut. Similarly I believe the handed Pantera axle nut would only serve a purpose if the spline were to fail and the drive flange spun about the axle, that would tighten the axle nut on both sides if there's a RH thread on the right/driver side and a LH thread on the left/pax side. I do not believe there is any self-tightening effect at work on the Pantera axle nut(s), but am open to other ideas ( not momentum ) Thanks, GD _____ From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? I should have said: My bad, I didn't follow the thread from the start and replied to an off subject piece of info. Tomas I was replying to Guidos post that read: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH thread on the left side front spindle. I was not clear on that I admit. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [ MikeLDrew(a)aol.com <mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com> ] Sent: 28/5/2016 11:23:00 PM To: guson(a)home.se <mailto:guson@home.se> Cc: forestg(a)att.net <mailto:forestg@att.net> ; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, Uh, no, we're not. Remember I'm the guy that started the thread by asking the question in the first place. We are talking about the axles. There are no axles in the front, only spindles. :) Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2016, at 13:23, "Tomas Gunnarsson" < guson(a)home.se <mailto:guson@home.se> > wrote: > We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Forest Goodhart [ forestg(a)att.net <mailto:forestg@att.net> ] > Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on > cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any > issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus > or minus > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > > To: Tomas Gunnarsson < guson(a)home.se <mailto:guson@home.se> > > Cc: "< detomaso(a)detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> >" < detomaso(a)detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut.... > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1] guson(a)home.se <mailto:guson@home.se> > > wrote: > I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Mike Drew [[2] MikeLDrew(a)aol.com <mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com> ] > Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM > To: [3] guson(a)home.se <mailto:guson@home.se> > Cc: [4] guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net <mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net> ;[5] detomaso(a)detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the > original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't > really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done > originally.... > Cheers! > Mike > Sent from my iPad >> On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6] guson(a)home.se <mailto:guson@home.se> > > wrote: >> >> I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH >> thread. >> >> Tomas >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> >> From: Guido deTomaso [[7] guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net <mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net> ] >> Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM >> To: > > [8] b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com <mailto:b.hower3400@yahoo.com> ;[9] vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com <mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com> ;[10] larrys@panteraparts <mailto:larrys@panteraparts> > .com >> Cc: [11] MikeLDrew(a)aol.com <mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com> ;[12] detomaso(a)detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Late to this party. >> Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side > lug >> nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the > lugs >> kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera > axle >> nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a > friction >> feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough >> friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity >> changes. >> The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where >> there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good >> example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going >> around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft >> "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be > able > to >> predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. >> Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the > wrong >> side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the > wheels >> will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st > person >> accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it >> walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of > the >> car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward > the >> rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I >> believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. >> Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of >> catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a > LH >> thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on > the >> thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside >> bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the > d-shape >> washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature > would >> have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, > until >> the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. >> On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car > to >> walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I > can't >> see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the >> nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this > is >> the only reason for the handed thread in this application. >> Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. >> GD >> From: B Hower via DeTomaso <[13] detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > >> To: Vinh Ly <[14] vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com <mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com> >; Larry Stock >> <[15] larrys(a)panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com> > >> Cc: Mike Drew <[16] MikeLDrew(a)aol.com <mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com> >; > "[17] detomaso(a)detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> " >> <[18] detomaso(a)detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> You would probably never notice a problem. >> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not >> be >> ! ) >> __________________________________________________________________ >> From: Vinh Ly <[19]<a href="mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com" ymailto="m<br><br>=== message truncated ===</font></td></tr></table></div> You have me a little confused here with "RH thread on the right/driver side and a LH thread on the left/pax side# :-D Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 29/5/2016 10:38:21 PM To: guson@home.se;MikeLDrew@aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? "I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH thread." Don't go all Jack DeRyke on me, lest I put a video on YouTube, I've got the VW hardware at my fingertips. Visualize the front wheel bearing following the wheel on the left side of the car viewed from the rear, a LH thread tightens if the nut follows the wheel and spinning bearing. This would only come into play only after successive prior failures, that was the analogy to the axle nut. Similarly I believe the handed Pantera axle nut would only serve a purpose if the spline were to fail and the drive flange spun about the axle, that would tighten the axle nut on both sides if there's a RH thread on the right/driver side and a LH thread on the left/pax side. I do not believe there is any self-tightening effect at work on the Pantera axle nut(s), but am open to other ideas ( not momentum ) Thanks, GD __________________________________________________________________ From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? I should have said: My bad, I didn't follow the thread from the start and replied to an off subject piece of info. Tomas I was replying to Guidos post that read: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH thread on the left side front spindle. I was not clear on that I admit. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew [[1]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] Sent: 28/5/2016 11:23:00 PM To: [2]guson(a)home.se Cc: [3]forestg@att.net;[4]detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, Uh, no, we're not. Remember I'm the guy that started the thread by asking the question in the first place. We are talking about the axles. There are no axles in the front, only spindles. :) Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2016, at 13:23, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[5]guson(a)home.se> wrote: > We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here. > > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Forest Goodhart [[6]forestg(a)att.net] > Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM > To: [7]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on > cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any > issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus > or minus > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[9]guson(a)home.se> > Cc: "<[10]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>" <[11]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut.... > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1][12]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: > I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D > Tomas > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> > From: Mike Drew [[2][13]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com] > Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM > To: [3][14]guson(a)home.se > Cc: [4][15]guido_detomaso@prodigy.net;[5][16]detomaso@detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > Tomas, > I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the > original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't > really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done > originally.... > Cheers! > Mike > Sent from my iPad >> On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6][17]guson(a)home.se> > wrote: >> >> I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH >> thread. >> >> Tomas >> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> >> From: Guido deTomaso [[7][18]guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] >> Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM >> To: > > [8][19]b.hower3400@yahoo.com;[9][20]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com;[10][21]larrys@ panteraparts > .com >> Cc: [11][22]MikeLDrew@aol.com;[12][23]detomaso@detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> Late to this party. >> Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side > lug >> nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the > lugs >> kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera > axle >> nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a > friction >> feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough >> friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity >> changes. >> The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where >> there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good >> example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going >> around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft >> "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be > able > to >> predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread. >> Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the > wrong >> side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the > wheels >> will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st > person >> accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it >> walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of > the >> car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward > the >> rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I >> believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle. >> Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of >> catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a > LH >> thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on > the >> thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside >> bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the > d-shape >> washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature > would >> have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, > until >> the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway. >> On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car > to >> walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I > can't >> see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the >> nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this > is >> the only reason for the handed thread in this application. >> Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. >> GD >> From: B Hower via DeTomaso <[13][24]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: Vinh Ly <[14][25]vinh.d.ly(a)gmail.com>; Larry Stock >> <[15][26]larrys(a)panteraparts.com> >> Cc: Mike Drew <[16][27]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>; > "[17][28]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" >> <[18][29]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? >> You would probably never notice a problem. >> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not >> be >> ! ) >> __________________________________________________________________ >> From: Vinh Ly <[19]<a href="mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com" ymailto="m<br><br>=== message truncated ===</font></td></tr></table></div> References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com 2. mailto:guson@home.se 3. mailto:forestg@att.net 4. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 5. mailto:guson@home.se 6. mailto:forestg@att.net 7. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:guson@home.se 10. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 11. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 12. mailto:guson@home.se 13. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com 14. mailto:guson@home.se 15. mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net 16. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 17. mailto:guson@home.se 18. mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net 19. mailto:b.hower3400@yahoo.com 20. mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com 21. mailto:larrys@panteraparts 22. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com 23. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 24. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 25. mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com 26. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com 27. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com 28. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 29. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com

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Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Fwd: BERLIN EXPRESS
by cengles＠cox.net 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

Dear Ken, Wonderful story and adventure for Capt Overstreet. Thanks for sharing. The painting of the 109 and the P51 under the Eiffel Tower is extraordinary and gripping. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > I know this is old news that someone forwarded to me, but I bet this > guy would have enjoyed driving a Pantera: > > > > > > The fighter pilot who flew through the Eiffel Tower in 1944 has died. > > In the spring of 1944 Bill Overstreet and his P-51C, the 'Berlin > Express'were near Paris when the scene that is immortalized in > theartwork by Len Krenzler of Action Art that leads this articletook > place. Bill had followed a German Bf109 from thebombers he was > escorting when most of the Germanfighters left. The two planes had > been in a running dogfight. > The German pilot flew over Paris hoping that the heavy > German anti-aircraft artillery would solve his problem and > eliminate Overstreet and the 'Berlin Express', though Bill > managed to get some hits in at about 1500 feet. > The German's engine was hit, and Bill stayed on his tailbraving the > intense enemy flak. His desperation undoubtedlygrowing, the German > pilot aimed his plane at the Eiffel Towerand in a surprising maneuver, > flew beneath it. Undeterred, Bill followed right behind him, scoring > severalmore hits in the process. The German plane crashed andBill > escaped the heavy flak around Paris by flying low andfull throttle > over the river until he had cleared the city'sheavy anti-aircraft > batteries.WWII fighter pilot who flew THROUGH the Eiffel Tower to take > down aGerman plane dies in Virginia aged 92. William Overstreet Jr., > a former > captain in the U.S. Air Corps, passed away on Sunday at a hospital > inRoanoke, Virginia. > He famously flew his plane beneath the Eiffel Tower in > Nazi-occupiedParis in 1944, lifting the spirits of French troops on > the ground. > In 2009, he was presented France's Legion of Honor. > Hero: World War II > Aviator Bill Overstreet Jr., best known for flying beneath the > Eiffel Tower in pursuit of a German plane, is pictured in his > military days. Before the ceremony, Overstreet had previously said > that, if he lived long enoughto receive the Legion of Honor, he would > be accepting it in memory of his fallenbrothers. In particular, he > wanted to pay tribute to a friend, Eddy Simpson, whodied fighting the > Nazis on the ground so his comrades, including Overstreet,could > escape. > After the award was pinned to his lapel, Overstreet said:'If I said, > "Thank you," it wouldn't be enough,' before adding:'What more than > "thank you" do you need?' > He was born in Clifton Forge, Virginia in 1921 and after Pearl Harbor, > he > enlisted in the Air Corps as a fighter pilot. > By February 1942, he was a private and sent to California for flight > training; there, his instructors prepared him for the unexpected > mid-flight by cutting the engine as he landed. > > Aircraft: Overstreet is pictured by his P-51 'Berlin Express', the > plane he flew > beneath the Eiffel Tower. 'He was always humble. Whenever the press > interviewed him, he said,"I didn't do anything. We were a team".'RIP > Bill Overstreet. > GOD BLESS AMERICA > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Fw: Fwd: BERLIN EXPRESS
by Ken Green 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

I know this is old news that someone forwarded to me, but I bet this guy would have enjoyed driving a Pantera: The fighter pilot who flew through the Eiffel Tower in 1944 has died. In the spring of 1944 Bill Overstreet and his P-51C, the 'Berlin Express'were near Paris when the scene that is immortalized in theartwork by Len Krenzler of Action Art that leads this articletook place. Bill had followed a German Bf109 from thebombers he was escorting when most of the Germanfighters left. The two planes had been in a running dogfight. The German pilot flew over Paris hoping that the heavy German anti-aircraft artillery would solve his problem and eliminate Overstreet and the 'Berlin Express', though Bill managed to get some hits in at about 1500 feet. The German's engine was hit, and Bill stayed on his tailbraving the intense enemy flak. His desperation undoubtedlygrowing, the German pilot aimed his plane at the Eiffel Towerand in a surprising maneuver, flew beneath it. Undeterred, Bill followed right behind him, scoring severalmore hits in the process. The German plane crashed andBill escaped the heavy flak around Paris by flying low andfull throttle over the river until he had cleared the city'sheavy anti-aircraft batteries.WWII fighter pilot who flew THROUGH the Eiffel Tower to take down aGerman plane dies in Virginia aged 92. William Overstreet Jr., a former captain in the U.S. Air Corps, passed away on Sunday at a hospital inRoanoke, Virginia. He famously flew his plane beneath the Eiffel Tower in Nazi-occupiedParis in 1944, lifting the spirits of French troops on the ground. In 2009, he was presented France's Legion of Honor. Hero: World War II Aviator Bill Overstreet Jr., best known for flying beneath the Eiffel Tower in pursuit of a German plane, is pictured in his military days. Before the ceremony, Overstreet had previously said that, if he lived long enoughto receive the Legion of Honor, he would be accepting it in memory of his fallenbrothers. In particular, he wanted to pay tribute to a friend, Eddy Simpson, whodied fighting the Nazis on the ground so his comrades, including Overstreet,could escape. After the award was pinned to his lapel, Overstreet said:'If I said, "Thank you," it wouldn't be enough,' before adding:'What more than "thank you" do you need?' He was born in Clifton Forge, Virginia in 1921 and after Pearl Harbor, he enlisted in the Air Corps as a fighter pilot. By February 1942, he was a private and sent to California for flight training; there, his instructors prepared him for the unexpected mid-flight by cutting the engine as he landed. Aircraft: Overstreet is pictured by his P-51 'Berlin Express', the plane he flew beneath the Eiffel Tower. 'He was always humble. Whenever the press interviewed him, he said,"I didn't do anything. We were a team".'RIP Bill Overstreet. GOD BLESS AMERICA I know this is old news that someone forwarded to me, but I bet this guy would have enjoyed driving a Pantera: The fighter pilot who flew through the Eiffel Tower in 1944 has died. In the spring of 1944 Bill Overstreet and his P-51C, the 'Berlin Express' were near Paris when the scene that is immortalized in the artwork by Len Krenzler of Action Art that leads this article took place. Bill had followed a German Bf109 from the bombers he was escorting when most of the German fighters left. The two planes had been in a running dogfight. The German pilot flew over Paris hoping that the heavy German anti-aircraft artillery would solve his problem and eliminate Overstreet and the 'Berlin Express', though Bill managed to get some hits in at about 1500 feet. The German's engine was hit, and Bill stayed on his tail braving the intense enemy flak. His desperation undoubtedly growing, the German pilot aimed his plane at the Eiffel Tower and in a surprising maneuver, flew beneath it. Undeterred, Bill followed right behind him, scoring several more hits in the process. The German plane crashed and Bill escaped the heavy flak around Paris by flying low and full throttle over the river until he had cleared the city's heavy anti-aircraft batteries. cid:1.757669496@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com WWII fighter pilot who flew THROUGH the Eiffel Tower to take down a German plane dies in Virginia aged 92. William Overstreet Jr., a former captain in the U.S. Air Corps, passed away on Sunday at a hospital in Roanoke, Virginia. He famously flew his plane beneath the Eiffel Tower in Nazi-occupied Paris in 1944, lifting the spirits of French troops on the ground. In 2009, he was presented France's Legion of Honor. cid:2.757669496@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Hero: World War II Aviator Bill Overstreet Jr., best known for flying beneath the Eiffel Tower in pursuit of a German plane, is pictured in his military days. Before the ceremony, Overstreet had previously said that, if he lived long enough to receive the Legion of Honor, he would be accepting it in memory of his fallen brothers. In particular, he wanted to pay tribute to a friend, Eddy Simpson, who died fighting the Nazis on the ground so his comrades, including Overstreet, could escape. After the award was pinned to his lapel, Overstreet said: 'If I said, "Thank you," it wouldn't be enough,' before adding: 'What more than "thank you" do you need?' He was born in Clifton Forge, Virginia in 1921 and after Pearl Harbor, he enlisted in the Air Corps as a fighter pilot. By February 1942, he was a private and sent to California for flight training; there, his instructors prepared him for the unexpected mid-flight by cutting the engine as he landed. cid:4.757669496@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Aircraft: Overstreet is pictured by his P-51 'Berlin Express', the plane he flew beneath the Eiffel Tower. 'He was always humble. Whenever the press interviewed him, he said,"I didn't do anything. We were a team".' RIP Bill Overstreet. GOD BLESS AMERICA

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Thanks
by Joel Montero 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

I'm not sure who is responsible for recreating this Pantera List Serve, but whoever you are, THANK YOU! Joel Montero I'm not sure who is responsible for recreating this Pantera List Serve, but whoever you are, THANK YOU!A Joel Montero

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Re: [DeTomaso] Nice Pantera on Bring A Trailer on-line auction
by cengles＠cox.net 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

Dear Tom, Ah, I know that car. It is a good solid Pantera. To my knowledge, no problems. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso wrote: > http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-5/ > > > Tom > 5186 > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Sider marker lens needed
by Tomas Gunnarsson 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

The lenses are the same side to side, the bezels are unique to each corner. Good to know if you get offered one from the "wrong" side. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: B Hower via DeTomaso [detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com] Sent: 1/6/2016 5:46:01 AM To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Sider marker lens needed Anyone have a right rear side marker lens they would part with? If so please contact me off line. I see I have one missing from Lolita. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) The lenses are the same side to side, the bezels are unique to each corner. Good to know if you get offered one from the "wrong" side. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: B Hower via DeTomaso [detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com] Sent: 1/6/2016 5:46:01 AM To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Sider marker lens needed Anyone have a right rear side marker lens they would part with? If so please contact me off line. I see I have one missing from Lolita. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )

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