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Alternator
by rcbsons1＠aol.com 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

Mike, I just run a bigger pulley on the Alternator that way when you spin the motor up to 7500 rpm it does not fry itself:) I did have an issue with my firebird alternator but that is because it had an electric fuel pump, vac pump, elect water pump, two elect fans, msd so it was way overloaded...actually melted the inside See you at Thunderhill Bob Benson Mike, I just run a bigger pulley on the Alternator that way when you spin the motor up to 7500 rpm it does not fry itself:) I did have an issue with my firebird alternator but that is because it had an electric fuel pump, vac pump, elect water pump, two elect fans, msd so it was way overloaded...actually melted the inside See you at Thunderhill Bob Benson

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Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

I wouldn't expect power draw to drop much for a given amount of light. Efficiency is what it is for a LED. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 30/9/2016 9:08:44 AM To: bill@incendium.com;scott@scottmeadphotography.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? For a different application I've been looking at LED headlamps on eBay etc. Want to run six at once without killing the generator. >From what I've seen there are many drop in replacements for the standard 7" round sealed beam lights that used to be ubiquitous. For some reason Jeeps are always the target market, Vortex also only mentions the Jeep application by name: http://www.visionxusa.com/shop/7-vortex-led-headlight/ At the ~$50 price point, many different sellers on eBay appear to be selling the same offshore units, some have many LED's within the seven inch circle, others have 3-4 larger LED's. Halos/angel eyes, DRL's & amber built in turn signals are common variations. But often the power consumption on these is greater than the old sealed beams ... there appear to be heat sinks on the back and I wonder what the air circulation would be once installed in the typical bucket. This power consumption does not support my genius plan obviously. OTOH these visionx units at $419 ea. do appear to waste less power, consuming only 40 watts per the website. Expect I'll wait for the price, and power consumption, to fall. GD From: "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> To: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Will do Scott, later once its dark, we are having our Panteras Northwest Fall Cruise windup supper in Nelson BC. We have had a great trip from Seattle up here to a car show (700 cars). Great cats, great time, great friends. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-09-10 3:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: bill(a)incendium.com Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Aloha Bill - any chance you have pictures you could share of the lights in action? I've installed Sylvania SilverStars all my vehicles, but I'm lucky if the bulbs last more than a year (I don't think they take too kindly to a lot of vibration). The Vortex LEDs sound like the optimum replacement. Mahalo, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:06 AM, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > > We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info > about my LED lights. > > Www.visonxusa.com > > 7RD series > > Pt# 9891217 > > Item # XIL-7RD > > Cheers > Bill Moore > Calgary > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore > <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > Brent, > > Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say > they gave out an exceptional amount of light. > > I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and > I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM > To: DeTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in > a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive > at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something > that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my > 240Z and they seem to work > great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm > .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all > used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent.. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I wouldn't expect power draw to drop much for a given amount of light. Efficiency is what it is for a LED. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 30/9/2016 9:08:44 AM To: bill@incendium.com;scott@scottmeadphotography.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? For a different application I've been looking at LED headlamps on eBay etc. Want to run six at once without killing the generator. From what I've seen there are many drop in replacements for the standard 7" round sealed beam lights that used to be ubiquitous. For some reason Jeeps are always the target market, Vortex also only mentions the Jeep application by name: http://www.visionxusa.com/shop/7-vortex-led-headlight/ At the ~$50 price point, many different sellers on eBay appear to be selling the same offshore units, some have many LED's within the seven inch circle, others have 3-4 larger LED's. Halos/angel eyes, DRL's & amber built in turn signals are common variations. But often the power consumption on these is greater than the old sealed beams ... there appear to be heat sinks on the back and I wonder what the air circulation would be once installed in the typical bucket. This power consumption does not support my genius plan obviously. OTOH these visionx units at $419 ea. do appear to waste less power, consuming only 40 watts per the website. Expect I'll wait for the price, and power consumption, to fall. GD From: "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> To: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Will do Scott, later once its dark, we are having our Panteras Northwest Fall Cruise windup supper in Nelson BC. We have had a great trip from Seattle up here to a car show (700 cars). Great cats, great time, great friends. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-09-10 3:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: bill(a)incendium.com Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Aloha Bill - any chance you have pictures you could share of the lights in action? I've installed Sylvania SilverStars all my vehicles, but I'm lucky if the bulbs last more than a year (I don't think they take too kindly to a lot of vibration). The Vortex LEDs sound like the optimum replacement. Mahalo, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:06 AM, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > > We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info > about my LED lights. > > Www.visonxusa.com > > 7RD series > > Pt# 9891217 > > Item # XIL-7RD > > Cheers > Bill Moore > Calgary > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore > <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > Brent, > > Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say > they gave out an exceptional amount of light. > > I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and > I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM > To: DeTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in > a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive > at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something > that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my > 240Z and they seem to work > great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm > .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all > used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent.. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Pictures of the prototype
by Rob Dumoulin 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

On the photos Joseph sent, I noticed the rear gills appear in the typical gill areas on the sides but also appear on the inner verticals of the deck lid. Connecting the two to be functional seems a feasible. , but also seems to be a bad design that would let water into spaces of the trunk with no exits. Anybody know if these gills were open or just consmetic?. From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Rear Window and Engine-Bay Cooling Fan To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Here is a photo of a prototype, hard to tell, but it does look like there was a rear glass. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 23:12 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] New Rear Window and Engine-Bay Cooling Fan For some time I have been thinking about installing a window in the opening behind 5332's engine compartment. Originally there was meant to be glass in the opening, but, according to Tom Tjaarda, there were overheating issues and the window glass was left out. .... Stephen Nelson _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. On the photos Joseph sent, I noticed the rear gills appear in the typical gill areas on the sides but also appear on the inner verticals of the deck lid.A Connecting the two to be functional seems a feasible. , but also seems to be a bad design that would let water into spaces of the trunk with no exits.A Anybody know if these gills were open or just consmetic?. From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[1]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Rear Window and Engine-Bay Cooling Fan To: [2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Here is a photo of a prototype, hard to tell, but it does look like there was a rear glass. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 23:12 PM To: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] New Rear Window and Engine-Bay Cooling Fan For some time I have been thinking about installing a window in the opening behind 5332's engine compartment.A Originally there was meant to be glass in the opening, but, according to Tom Tjaarda, there were overheating issues and the window glass was left out. .... Stephen Nelson _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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Any Email Forum Members from Australia?
by Corey Price 05 Oct '16

05 Oct '16

I'd like to check availability of a specific Ford Falcon FPV Australia part from down under; any Aussies on this forum that would be willing to look for a FPV part for me? FPV is the Ford Performance arm of Ford in Australia. Corey I'd like to check availability of a specific Ford Falcon FPV Australia part from down under; any Aussies on this forum that would be willing to look for a FPV part for me?A FPV is the Ford Performance arm of Ford in Australia. Corey

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Alternator blues....
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 05 Oct '16

05 Oct '16

Hi guys, Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 Panteras (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then turned to snow which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in splendid sunshine. We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and uses a GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas this spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it started acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally it quit and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed it was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, which did exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. But it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, once again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit and showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life and showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power for awhile), then discharged again. Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but rather that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As electrons are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it blindly. What say all of you? FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? Mike Hi guys, Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 Panteras (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then turned to snow which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in splendid sunshine. We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and uses a GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas this spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it started acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally it quit and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed it was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, which did exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. But it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, once again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit and showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life and showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power for awhile), then discharged again. Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but rather that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As electrons are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it blindly. What say all of you? FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? Mike

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Virus through FB from Charles Macall or Tommy Gunnerson
by bill gaino 04 Oct '16

04 Oct '16

If you are friends with either of these two, Don't open a Facebook messiger attachment acting like a video with your profile pic on it. Sombody got hacked. Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook

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ZF ring & pinion and 5th
by mark skwarek 03 Oct '16

03 Oct '16

Looking for a 3.77 ring & pinion and ,655 5th gear. Mark Looking for a 3.77 ring & pinion and ,655 5th gear. Mark

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NPC: Ford GT Engine/Trans combo- Ford Racing number??
by steven.liebenow＠att.net 03 Oct '16

03 Oct '16

Guys, I thought my steel sieve brain saw something somewhere about a "crate" style engine/trans combo for the new Ford GT's (Pre V6 twin hairblower version) available from Ford Racing....... I can't find where I thought I saw it....... and the internet is a black pile of poo on the subject...... Would also consider a 5.0 dual cam/conventional 6spd thing too.....just in case anyone has any wish books lying around with greasy pages..... Ciao! Steve Guys, I thought my steel sieve brain saw something somewhere about a "crate" style engine/trans combo for the new Ford GT's (Pre V6 twin hairblower version) available from Ford Racing....... I can't find where I thought I saw it....... and the internet is a black pile of poo on the subject...... Would also consider a 5.0 dual cam/conventional 6spd thing too.....just in case anyone has any wish books lying around with greasy pages..... Ciao! Steve

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Re: [DeTomaso] Virus through FB from Charles Macall or Tommy Gunnerson
by bill＠incendium.com 03 Oct '16

03 Oct '16

I'm part of the hack also. Julian as well keeps sending me a bosgus message CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: bill gaino <gaino(a)earthlink.net> Date: 2016-10-03 2:52 PM (GMT-07:00) To: poca list <detomaso(a)poca.com>, POCA list <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Virus through FB from Charles Macall or Tommy Gunnerson If you are friends with either of these two, Don't open a Facebook messiger attachment acting like a video with your profile pic on it. Sombody got hacked. Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I'm part of the hack also. Julian as well keeps sending me a bosgus message Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: bill gaino <gaino(a)earthlink.net> Date: 2016-10-03 2:52 PM (GMT-07:00) To: poca list <detomaso(a)poca.com>, POCA list <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Virus through FB from Charles Macall or Tommy Gunnerson If you are friends with either of these two, Don't open a Facebook messiger attachment acting like a video with your profile pic on it. Sombody got hacked. Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre f=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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New Rear Window and Engine-Bay Cooling Fan
by Stephen 03 Oct '16

03 Oct '16

For some time I have been thinking about installing a window in the opening behind 5332's engine compartment. Originally there was meant to be glass in the opening, but, according to Tom Tjaarda, there were overheating issues and the window glass was left out. I decided to firstly see what would happen with the opening blocked off and the car idling. One 70 degree F day I blocked the opening and let the car idle while I monitored the inlet air temperature via the remote for my MSD fuel injection. With a hot engine and a 70 degree ambient air temperature I saw the inlet air temperature go up at a rate of roughly a degree Fahrenheit every 2 seconds. I quit the experiment when the inlet air temperature hit 150F. As an aside, I had previously noted when I was stuck in traffic on a hot day that the FI would get finicky if I sat long enough. I figured the issue was excess temperatures even with the opening behind the engine open. Clearly it will get right hot in the engine compartment if one blocks off the opening. Earlier this year I did a series of tests to see how significant the air flow was through the opening at speed. My testing showed the air flow through the opening was around 20 to 25 feet per second (14 to 17 mph) at a road-speeds of 60 to 80 mph. The flow through the opening equates to an air volume of around 2000 cfm at 70 mph. If I installed glass in the opening I figured I needed to install a fan to provide a reasonable flow to keep the engine compartment from overheating - somewhere around the air flow rate when the car is going 30 mph - around 800 CFM. So, given I intended to install a window in the opening to keep from pulling water and dirt and rocks and grass and whatever is on the road up onto the engine when driving at speed, as well as to keep folks from being able to reach in and take whatever they wanted off the top of the engine, I figured the first step was to figure out how to keep the engine compartment cool. Looking at SPAL radiator fans - wow - even a 10" low profile fan puts out 800 cfm. I thought this would be sufficient. Next I looked below the car to see where I could hide a fan. Turns out there is a great space below the coolant surge and swirl tanks - just behind the bulkhead and above the frame rails. Measurements suggested that a 10" fan would fit. Next - how to keep dirt and rocks and leaves and the like from getting thrown up into the fan. I did an online search for 12 inch circular screens and found a rather novel solution - 12" stainless steel flour sieves. Talk about a slick fit - check out this picture: http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/Technical-Bits/i-mN7wzjK . You can see two of the angle brackets I used to mount the fan/shroud to the frame rail and inner sill. There is one additional bracket that mounts to the frame rail. When mounted, as shown in the next 3 pictures in the above gallery, it is very solid and out of the way. I set up a SPAL PWM (pulse width modulated) fan controller with a Derale 16760 Push-in Radiator Probe to control the fan speed. I like the PWM controllers - they ramp up fan speed as the temperature goes above the temperature you choose as your lower target. Then, if the temperature continues to go up, the fan is at its maximum speed when the temperature hits your upper target. If you have a second fan, it will turn on when the temperature hits your upper target. I use one of these on the radiator fans for 5332 and on the fans for our '69 XKE. I mounted the temperature sensor to the fuel line going to the FI throttle body and set the controller to start spinning the fan at 140F, with an upper limit of 150F, whereupon the fan is spinning at full speed. With the opening blocked, the fan, at full speed, brings the inlet air temperature to the FI system down at about 2 degrees per second. Worked like a charm! After installing the new rear window Kels and I joined the PNW Pantera Group for a run up into British Columbia - going to a car show in Nelson. Logged around 1200 miles on that trip: The fan only came on once - when we restarted the car after letting it sit for 30 minutes while we were in a store. Fan came on, temperature dropped and it shut off within 30 seconds. When driving at speeds over 10 mph with the rear window in place the inlet air temperature held around 40 degrees F above ambient. This jives with what James Fusco told me - he explained that "the air that comes into the engine compartment has already gone through the radiator and along the bottom of the car". OK - that makes sense. And, it is apparent that, even at fairly low speeds, there is a lot of turbulence in the engine compartment, which keeps the compartments temperatures as cool as could be expected, given that the air is coming from below the car/the radiator. Fortunately I mounted the engine-compartment cooling fan to one side of the engine compartment - turning it on at speed does cool the inlet air temperature. And, when sitting still, the fan is very effective since it is likely drawing air that has not been through the radiator. The fan blows air up the passenger side of the engine, across the top of the engine compartment, and down the other side. I've included a couple of pictures of the installed window in the above referenced photo gallery, along with some pictures that I will discuss when I put together an article for the newsletter. There are definitely some challenges to getting the rubber around the window laid in nicely - I will cover those in the article. I think the rear window finishes the look of the car - it is surprising to me how much more complete it makes the back of the car look. And, before anyone howls about modifying the car - well, hmmm - it was originally intended to be there - except there was no provision for letting the engine compartment vent hot air when sitting still. Stephen Nelson For some time I have been thinking about installing a window in the opening behind 5332's engine compartment. Originally there was meant to be glass in the opening, but, according to Tom Tjaarda, there were overheating issues and the window glass was left out. I decided to firstly see what would happen with the opening blocked off and the car idling. One 70 degree F day I blocked the opening and let the car idle while I monitored the inlet air temperature via the remote for my MSD fuel injection. With a hot engine and a 70 degree ambient air temperature I saw the inlet air temperature go up at a rate of roughly a degree Fahrenheit every 2 seconds. I quit the experiment when the inlet air temperature hit 150F. As an aside, I had previously noted when I was stuck in traffic on a hot day that the FI would get finicky if I sat long enough. I figured the issue was excess temperatures even with the opening behind the engine open. Clearly it will get right hot in the engine compartment if one blocks off the opening. Earlier this year I did a series of tests to see how significant the air flow was through the opening at speed. My testing showed the air flow through the opening was around 20 to 25 feet per second (14 to 17 mph) at a road-speeds of 60 to 80 mph. The flow through the opening equates to an air volume of around 2000 cfm at 70 mph. If I installed glass in the opening I figured I needed to install a fan to provide a reasonable flow to keep the engine compartment from overheating - somewhere around the air flow rate when the car is going 30 mph - around 800 CFM. So, given I intended to install a window in the opening to keep from pulling water and dirt and rocks and grass and whatever is on the road up onto the engine when driving at speed, as well as to keep folks from being able to reach in and take whatever they wanted off the top of the engine, I figured the first step was to figure out how to keep the engine compartment cool. Looking at SPAL radiator fans - wow - even a 10" low profile fan puts out 800 cfm. I thought this would be sufficient. Next I looked below the car to see where I could hide a fan. Turns out there is a great space below the coolant surge and swirl tanks - just behind the bulkhead and above the frame rails. Measurements suggested that a 10" fan would fit. Next - how to keep dirt and rocks and leaves and the like from getting thrown up into the fan. I did an online search for 12 inch circular screens and found a rather novel solution - 12" stainless steel flour sieves. Talk about a slick fit - check out this picture: [1]http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/Technical-Bits/i-mN7 wzjK . You can see two of the angle brackets I used to mount the fan/shroud to the frame rail and inner sill. There is one additional bracket that mounts to the frame rail. When mounted, as shown in the next 3 pictures in the above gallery, it is very solid and out of the way. I set up a SPAL PWM (pulse width modulated) fan controller with a Derale 16760 Push-in Radiator Probe to control the fan speed. I like the PWM controllers - they ramp up fan speed as the temperature goes above the temperature you choose as your lower target. Then, if the temperature continues to go up, the fan is at its maximum speed when the temperature hits your upper target. If you have a second fan, it will turn on when the temperature hits your upper target. I use one of these on the radiator fans for 5332 and on the fans for our '69 XKE. I mounted the temperature sensor to the fuel line going to the FI throttle body and set the controller to start spinning the fan at 140F, with an upper limit of 150F, whereupon the fan is spinning at full speed. With the opening blocked, the fan, at full speed, brings the inlet air temperature to the FI system down at about 2 degrees per second. Worked like a charm! After installing the new rear window Kels and I joined the PNW Pantera Group for a run up into British Columbia - going to a car show in Nelson. Logged around 1200 miles on that trip: The fan only came on once - when we restarted the car after letting it sit for 30 minutes while we were in a store. Fan came on, temperature dropped and it shut off within 30 seconds. When driving at speeds over 10 mph with the rear window in place the inlet air temperature held around 40 degrees F above ambient. This jives with what James Fusco told me - he explained that "the air that comes into the engine compartment has already gone through the radiator and along the bottom of the car". OK - that makes sense. And, it is apparent that, even at fairly low speeds, there is a lot of turbulence in the engine compartment, which keeps the compartments temperatures as cool as could be expected, given that the air is coming from below the car/the radiator. Fortunately I mounted the engine-compartment cooling fan to one side of the engine compartment - turning it on at speed does cool the inlet air temperature. And, when sitting still, the fan is very effective since it is likely drawing air that has not been through the radiator. The fan blows air up the passenger side of the engine, across the top of the engine compartment, and down the other side. I've included a couple of pictures of the installed window in the above referenced photo gallery, along with some pictures that I will discuss when I put together an article for the newsletter. There are definitely some challenges to getting the rubber around the window laid in nicely - I will cover those in the article. I think the rear window finishes the look of the car - it is surprising to me how much more complete it makes the back of the car look. And, before anyone howls about modifying the car - well, hmmm - it was originally intended to be there - except there was no provision for letting the engine compartment vent hot air when sitting still. Stephen Nelson References 1. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/Technical-Bits/i-mN7wzjK

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