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Iowa Panteras?
by Mike Drew 28 Sep '16

28 Sep '16

Guys, Saw Iowa underwater on the news tonight. I know Chris and Chandler Bupp (regular Fun Rally attendees) live out there. His email (whatcop(a)aol.com) is no longer valid, but he may be a lurker here? Any Iowa guys, speak up and let us know you're okay!? Mike Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [DeTomaso] 1972 Red Paint codes
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 28 Sep '16

28 Sep '16

In a message dated 9/27/16 10 35 50, edducati(a)mac.com writes: > I know this may be an old subject and one that has probably been answered > before. > > What is the 1972 Pantera Red paint code and the cross reference to a > modern paint like Ditzler Deltron, Glasurit, etc. > > From what I understand there were two reds? a darker red and orange red? > >>>Ed, There were three reds according to the Ford parts book, although one of them is the burgundy used on the '73-74 USA-model GTS, which doesn't really count. The 1971 cars were painted differently from the 1972 and later cars. I think the 1971 red was a purer, more Italian red, while the '72-74 red had more of a tomato flavor to it. All the paint codes in the attached file are, as far as I know, completely obsolete, at least in the USA. I think Roger Brotton in the UK has had luck getting matches made there? So maybe you have a fighting chance in New Zealand.... Mike In a message dated 9/27/16 10 35 50, edducati(a)mac.com writes: I know this may be an old subject and one that has probably been answered before. What is the 1972 Pantera Red paint code and the cross reference to a modern paint like Ditzler Deltron, Glasurit, etc. From what I understand there were two reds? a darker red and orange red? >>>Ed, There were three reds according to the Ford parts book, although one of them is the burgundy used on the '73-74 USA-model GTS, which doesn't really count. The 1971 cars were painted differently from the 1972 and later cars. I think the 1971 red was a purer, more Italian red, while the '72-74 red had more of a tomato flavor to it. All the paint codes in the attached file are, as far as I know, completely obsolete, at least in the USA. I think Roger Brotton in the UK has had luck getting matches made there? So maybe you have a fighting chance in New Zealand.... Mike

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Help finding owner of Pantera in Beaverton, OR
by Asa Jay Laughton 28 Sep '16

28 Sep '16

Hi all, Our good friend Dennis (Mad Dawg) Antenucci apparently spied a Pantera in Beaverton recently and was wondering who it might be. Please see the attached. Let me know if anyone knows who that is, or if it's you. :) Thank you, Asa Jay -- Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home ****************************************************** http://www.w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com

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Tony Blevins' Featured in Garage Style Magazine
by Scott Couchman 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

Tony's garage and Pantera are featured in the Fall 2016 issue of Garage Style Magazine. 4 page color spread with lots of great photos and well written article by Tony also. Well done Tony! We share a passion for GSM!

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 33
by Mike Reilly 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

Kenny, no problem. I had planned to provide more info so thanks for the reminder. Info below. I can’t remember the width I used but I took an old roller (the rubber stock version) and used that as a guide to make the cuts. It didn’t have to be super accurate to fit in the rails. This company is also a good resource for other stuff as well. Mike Drew had pointed folks to it for something else and I really like using them. Thanks, Mike R. Company: Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. Item info: 02-52001 DELRIN ROD 1" (NATURAL) Price: $5.50 for 12” plus shipping Link: (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/delrinrod.php?clickkey=3080063) OK, cough it up! What size Delrin (Diameter) and where did you find it online? I need to fix mine in the worst way! Kenny From: Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> To: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "fred(a)creekspeak.com" <fred(a)creekspeak.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat Slide Rattles Message-ID: <BAY405-EAS180D18A2FAED123987A18CFBACD0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I just updated mine to Delrin after researching on the PI Forum for possible solutions. I saw the vendors sold at set of eight new Delrin rollers for about $80 but a simple internet search netted a one foot rod that was the correct diameter for about $8. I bought it and then cut it to the correct width with a hacksaw to make eight of them. I just put the seats in a few weeks ago and they slide great and I don?t hear any noise from them at all. It?s an easy way to go IMHO. Mike R. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Kenny, no problem. I had planned to provide more info so thanks for the reminder. Info below. I can't remember the width I used but I took an old roller (the rubber stock version) and used that as a guide to make the cuts. It didn't have to be super accurate to fit in the rails. This company is also a good resource for other stuff as well. Mike Drew had pointed folks to it for something else and I really like using them. Thanks, Mike R. Company: Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. Item info: 02-52001 DELRIN ROD 1" (NATURAL) Price: $5.50 for 12" plus shipping Link: (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/delrinrod.php?clickkey=3 080063) OK, cough it up! What size Delrin (Diameter) and where did you find it online? I need to fix mine in the worst way! Kenny From: Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> To: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "fred(a)creekspeak.com" <fred(a)creekspeak.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat Slide Rattles Message-ID: <BAY405-EAS180D18A2FAED123987A18CFBACD0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I just updated mine to Delrin after researching on the PI Forum for possible solutions. I saw the vendors sold at set of eight new Delrin rollers for about $80 but a simple internet search netted a one foot rod that was the correct diameter for about $8. I bought it and then cut it to the correct width with a hacksaw to make eight of them. I just put the seats in a few weeks ago and they slide great and I don?t hear any noise from them at all. It?s an easy way to go IMHO. Mike R. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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1972 Red Paint codes
by Ed Mendez 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

I know this may be an old subject and one that has probably been answered before. What is the 1972 Pantera Red paint code and the cross reference to a modern paint like Ditzler Deltron, Glasurit, etc. From what I understand there were two reds? a darker red and orange red? Thanks, Ed

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 33
by Kenny Hall 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

OK, cough it up! What size Delrin (Diameter) and where did you find it online? I need to fix mine in the worst way! Kenny From: Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> To: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "fred(a)creekspeak.com" <fred(a)creekspeak.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seat Slide Rattles Message-ID: <BAY405-EAS180D18A2FAED123987A18CFBACD0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I just updated mine to Delrin after researching on the PI Forum for possible solutions. I saw the vendors sold at set of eight new Delrin rollers for about $80 but a simple internet search netted a one foot rod that was the correct diameter for about $8. I bought it and then cut it to the correct width with a hacksaw to make eight of them. I just put the seats in a few weeks ago and they slide great and I don?t hear any noise from them at all. It?s an easy way to go IMHO. Mike R.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Seat Slide Rattles
by grayjim＠cox.net 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

I did that fix too and it works so very well! Jim Gray On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > In a message dated 9/26/16 13 02 51, fred(a)creekspeak.com writes: > > >> I was told by my mechanic that the original nylon(?) slides inside my >> seat rails had disintegrated and they were replaced with the solid >> brass >> rollers. I can clearly hear them slide back and forth on the rails >> when >> I start and stop. I placed a thick 3M tape on the rails and the sound >> has lessened, but still can be heard. Is there a fix for this? Please >> EMAIL me because it is easier for me to follow email than this >> format. >> Thanks in advance. >> > >>>> Bill Taylor came up with a great solution for this problem. He >>>> removed > the wheels and used a drill press to drill holes in the center of each > one, making them like donuts. > > He then got some coil springs, like the kind of spring you would find > inside a ballpoint pen, of the appropriate diameter and length. The > springs are slightly compressed against the inside of the seat tracks > and securely hold the wheels and prevent them from rattling. > > Brilliant! > > Mike > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank (It doesn't go to the swirl tank)
by Chuck and Linda Huber 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

There is definitely a mod that sucks air from both the swirl tank, and the top of the radiator into the expansion tank. The expansion tank is under suction, and this causes any trapped air to bleed to the expansion tank. I did this on my car. I believe that it does its job, especially of removing any trapped air from the radiator. I had to run a new, separate metal hard line down the length of the car from near the front of the radiator, all the way back up the bulkhead past the electrics panel, to near the expansion tank. Here are pictures of my tanks with the appropriate bleed fittings installed. Chuck I think Joe was just joking - His Coriolis post confused me... -----Original Message----- From: Owen Cooke [mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 5:45 AM To: Julian Kift; Guido deTomaso; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank, was Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 Julian yes you could be right i need to check it all again owen cooke On 22/09/2016 13:34, Julian Kift wrote: > > I think typically the factory chassis holes between the coolant > tubes you refer to carries the steel pipe that runs the vacuum > brake booster to engine vacuum. > > > Julian > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf > of Owen Cooke <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:51 AM > *To:* Guido deTomaso; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank, was > Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 > OK i may have stated this incorrectly > > there is a steel pipe running from the top of the rad back to the > engine and i forget exactly where is ends in the engine bay > > but this was clearly a factory installation as the chassis pieces had > nicely flared hole and grommets lying between the two main steel pipes > and the chassis pieces it runs through were clearly in the original > steel pressing > > so this was not an after market fitting > > i will check on exactly where in the engine bay the pipes are going - i > only guesses the swirl tank > > > owen cooke > > > On 21/09/2016 22:37, Guido deTomaso wrote: > > > > > > "but my car had bleed pipe from the rad > > back to the swirl tank" > > > > I'm kinda fascinated by this mod, which I believe is in the TSB's, > > connecting the top of the radiator to the swirl tank with a long > > hose. Not sure how it works or what it was supposed to do. > > > > With a completely dry system, I can visualise how it would allow the > > radiator to fill completely, as air formerly trapped in the top of the > > radiator would have a path back to the swirl tank, a higher point. > > > > But once the engine is started, water or air is going to move from the > > swirl tank to the radiator, because of pressure difference. Not sure > > this is helpful but maybe isn't harmful. > > > > Most difficult to visualize, if the engine is off and there is air in > > the radiator, can the weight / head / row gee aych of the water in the > > swirl tank push the air into the swirl tank ? Is there some > > Archimedes rule I'm not seeing here ? > > > > Also did any cars come from the factory this way, was there an > > official path and mounting systems for the hose ? Cable ties ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Guy D. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Owen Cooke <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com> > > *To:* detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 > > > > guys > > > > i had overheating problems > > > > i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad > > back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a > > top bleed screw > > > > so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe > > to it > > > > then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets > > and wired them directly from the battery to the relays > > > > i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder > > > > i removed that and fitted a new stat > > > > now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or > > 195f in all conditions > > > > my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its > > steady and i know what to expect > > > > very happy with result > > > > owen cooke > > > > > > On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > > > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com> > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > > > > > > > > > Daily Detomaso List Digest > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) > > > 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) > > > 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) > > > 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) > > > 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) > > > 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) > > > 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) > > > 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) > > > 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) > > > 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) > > > 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) > > > 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) > > > 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) > > > 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) > > > 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) > > > 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) > > > 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) > > > 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) > > > 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) > > > 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) > > > 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) > > > 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) > > > 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) > > > 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 > > > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com > <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> > > > To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" > > > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > > > Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" > > > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud > > > Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about > > radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I > > wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have > > to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t > > broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. > > There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention > > it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will > > ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. > > > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they > > are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - > > sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, > > and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s > > since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a > > perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone > > offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal > for me. > > > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: > > > jack > > > #4348 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 > > > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > <mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> > > > To: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, > > > "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" > > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud > > > Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > Jack, > > > > > > Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. > > I'm not going to change it > > > now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal > > with it. So keep posting and > > > I will keep saving the responses. ;-) > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > > > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > > > > > Terry W. Himes > > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > > thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov > > <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> > > > ?? > > > > > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com > > > <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@se rver.detomasolist.com > > > <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Jack > > Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com > > <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>> > > > Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM > > > To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolis t.com > > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>" > > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolis t.com > > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>> > > > Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolis t.com > > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>" > > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolis t.com > > > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>> > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud > > > > > > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about > > radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I > > wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have > > to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t > > broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. > > There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention > > it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will > > ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. > > > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they > > are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - > > sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, > > and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s > > since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a > > perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone > > offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal > for me. > > > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: > > > jack > > > #4348 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > > <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolis t.com > > > <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) use the links above. > > > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > >

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Re: [DeTomaso] Seat Slide Rattles
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

In a message dated 9/26/16 13 02 51, fred(a)creekspeak.com writes: > I was told by my mechanic that the original nylon(?) slides inside my > seat rails had disintegrated and they were replaced with the solid brass > rollers. I can clearly hear them slide back and forth on the rails when > I start and stop. I placed a thick 3M tape on the rails and the sound > has lessened, but still can be heard. Is there a fix for this? Please > EMAIL me because it is easier for me to follow email than this format. > Thanks in advance. > >>>Bill Taylor came up with a great solution for this problem. He removed the wheels and used a drill press to drill holes in the center of each one, making them like donuts. He then got some coil springs, like the kind of spring you would find inside a ballpoint pen, of the appropriate diameter and length. The springs are slightly compressed against the inside of the seat tracks and securely hold the wheels and prevent them from rattling. Brilliant! Mike In a message dated 9/26/16 13 02 51, fred(a)creekspeak.com writes: I was told by my mechanic that the original nylon(?) slides inside my seat rails had disintegrated and they were replaced with the solid brass rollers. I can clearly hear them slide back and forth on the rails when I start and stop. I placed a thick 3M tape on the rails and the sound has lessened, but still can be heard. Is there a fix for this? Please EMAIL me because it is easier for me to follow email than this format. Thanks in advance. >>>Bill Taylor came up with a great solution for this problem. He removed the wheels and used a drill press to drill holes in the center of each one, making them like donuts. He then got some coil springs, like the kind of spring you would find inside a ballpoint pen, of the appropriate diameter and length. The springs are slightly compressed against the inside of the seat tracks and securely hold the wheels and prevent them from rattling. Brilliant! Mike

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