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Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? NPC
by Himes, Terry (397C) 30 Jun '16

30 Jun '16

Forgot the ;-)) Yeah Right!?? We get ¼ of a 1 cent of the budget, I think. Take a look at the military budget. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:21 AM To: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com>> Cc: "<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>, Paul Timko <thedrol(a)pobox.com<mailto:thedrol@pobox.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? Larry, It's not jus good color, it's actual GOLD. A bit expensive unless you are operating with a NASA budget! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:36, "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com>> wrote: I recall reading a blurb from NASA (ya I read that stuff too)that the gold color faced insulation was much better then the aluminum color faced insulation. You do see it in all the photos of the space craft. Let's see if Terry knows about this. Larry (what happened to the "Pure Gold" car?) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Paul Timko; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? I second that the cloth and aluminium foils are top rate. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Paul Timko <thedrol(a)pobox.com<mailto:thedrol@pobox.com>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:05 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? This is a list of stuff a lot or racers use to protect their bodywork. Some of it is pretty expensive, but so is paint... https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HEATBARRIER Paul #9270 On 6/30/2016 8:57 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote: 71 Pantera well worn 377 twin turbo motor. After a short trip yesterday I noticed one of my turbos was leaking oil. A small amount on the input (pressure) side. A quick tightening and it was fine. I did notice a small paint bubble on the deck directly above the turbo. There is about 2 inches clearance about the turbos but the deck was really hot to the touch. Question. I am looking for a product that can be applied (as a sheet or thin blanket) to the underside of the deck above the turbo. I have some chromed sheet metal shields that I may be able to fit to the turbos but would like the real protection of an insulator. Thanks in advance to the "collective", jerry knotts _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Forgot the ;-)) Yeah Right!?? We get 1/4 of a 1 cent of the budget, I think. Take a look at the military budget. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Mike Drew <[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:21 AM To: Larry - Ohio Time <[5]Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> Cc: "<[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>" <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, Paul Timko <[8]thedrol(a)pobox.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? Larry, It's not jus good color, it's actual GOLD. A bit expensive unless you are operating with a NASA budget! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:36, "Larry - Ohio Time" <[9]Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: I recall reading a blurb from NASA (ya I read that stuff too)that the gold color faced insulation was much better then the aluminum color faced insulation. You do see it in all the photos of the space craft. Let's see if Terry knows about this. Larry (what happened to the "Pure Gold" car?) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Paul Timko; [11]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? I second that the cloth and aluminium foils are top rate. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[12]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Paul Timko <[13]thedrol(a)pobox.com> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:05 AM To: [14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? This is a list of stuff a lot or racers use to protect their bodywork. Some of it is pretty expensive, but so is paint... [15]https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HEATBARRIER Paul #9270 On 6/30/2016 8:57 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote: 71 Pantera well worn 377 twin turbo motor. After a short trip yesterday I noticed one of my turbos was leaking oil. A small amount on the input (pressure) side. A quick tightening and it was fine. I did notice a small paint bubble on the deck directly above the turbo. There is about 2 inches clearance about the turbos but the deck was really hot to the touch. Question. I am looking for a product that can be applied (as a sheet or thin blanket) to the underside of the deck above the turbo. I have some chromed sheet metal shields that I may be able to fit to the turbos but would like the real protection of an insulator. Thanks in advance to the "collective", jerry knotts _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? NPC
by Himes, Terry (397C) 30 Jun '16

30 Jun '16

Yeah Right!?? We get ¼ of a 1 cent of the budget, I think. Take a look at the military budget. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:21 AM To: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com>> Cc: "<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>, Paul Timko <thedrol(a)pobox.com<mailto:thedrol@pobox.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? Larry, It's not jus good color, it's actual GOLD. A bit expensive unless you are operating with a NASA budget! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:36, "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com>> wrote: I recall reading a blurb from NASA (ya I read that stuff too)that the gold color faced insulation was much better then the aluminum color faced insulation. You do see it in all the photos of the space craft. Let's see if Terry knows about this. Larry (what happened to the "Pure Gold" car?) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Paul Timko; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? I second that the cloth and aluminium foils are top rate. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Paul Timko <thedrol(a)pobox.com<mailto:thedrol@pobox.com>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:05 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? This is a list of stuff a lot or racers use to protect their bodywork. Some of it is pretty expensive, but so is paint... https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HEATBARRIER Paul #9270 On 6/30/2016 8:57 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote: 71 Pantera well worn 377 twin turbo motor. After a short trip yesterday I noticed one of my turbos was leaking oil. A small amount on the input (pressure) side. A quick tightening and it was fine. I did notice a small paint bubble on the deck directly above the turbo. There is about 2 inches clearance about the turbos but the deck was really hot to the touch. Question. I am looking for a product that can be applied (as a sheet or thin blanket) to the underside of the deck above the turbo. I have some chromed sheet metal shields that I may be able to fit to the turbos but would like the real protection of an insulator. Thanks in advance to the "collective", jerry knotts _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Yeah Right!?? We get 1/4 of a 1 cent of the budget, I think. Take a look at the military budget. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Mike Drew <[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:21 AM To: Larry - Ohio Time <[5]Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> Cc: "<[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>" <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, Paul Timko <[8]thedrol(a)pobox.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? Larry, It's not jus good color, it's actual GOLD. A bit expensive unless you are operating with a NASA budget! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:36, "Larry - Ohio Time" <[9]Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: I recall reading a blurb from NASA (ya I read that stuff too)that the gold color faced insulation was much better then the aluminum color faced insulation. You do see it in all the photos of the space craft. Let's see if Terry knows about this. Larry (what happened to the "Pure Gold" car?) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Paul Timko; [11]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? I second that the cloth and aluminium foils are top rate. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[12]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Paul Timko <[13]thedrol(a)pobox.com> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:05 AM To: [14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? This is a list of stuff a lot or racers use to protect their bodywork. Some of it is pretty expensive, but so is paint... [15]https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HEATBARRIER Paul #9270 On 6/30/2016 8:57 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote: 71 Pantera well worn 377 twin turbo motor. After a short trip yesterday I noticed one of my turbos was leaking oil. A small amount on the input (pressure) side. A quick tightening and it was fine. I did notice a small paint bubble on the deck directly above the turbo. There is about 2 inches clearance about the turbos but the deck was really hot to the touch. Question. I am looking for a product that can be applied (as a sheet or thin blanket) to the underside of the deck above the turbo. I have some chromed sheet metal shields that I may be able to fit to the turbos but would like the real protection of an insulator. Thanks in advance to the "collective", jerry knotts _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Converting Pantera L Bumpers
by Mike Reilly 30 Jun '16

30 Jun '16

Larry, yes I forgot…..the body shop owner also said it’s WAY better for corrosion protection which is all good with an old Pantera! Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Larry - Ohio Time<mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:50 AM To: 'Mike Reilly'<mailto:reillyms@live.com>; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Converting Pantera L Bumpers << decided to go with bonding the metal>> Mike, Most new cars are assembled with bonding (glues) on there body panels. I like the process. Living in the some what Great White Salty North, I fight rust all the time. Placing two sheet metal panels together and zapping it with a spot welder is just opening the door for rust to form. If you think your good looking welds are water tight, just try welding on an air tank, like I just did, to see how poorly your good looking welds can be. EEEKKKKK!!!! Larry (glue me baby) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mike Reilly Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:34 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Converting Pantera L Bumpers This topic has been covered extensively on this mail list and the PI Forum as well. PanteraPlace.com also has good info in a tech article. Anyway, after 25 years of owning my mostly stock 74 L I have decided to remove the L bumpers and fill in the holes from their mounting points both front and rear. I found a good body shop to match my original factory red paint using a single stage application. I did all the disassembly so all they have to do is fill in the holes and paint. It's still in the shop and in discussions with the shop owner we decided to go with bonding the metal patches (where the old bumper shocks went through the body) rather than welding them in. He uses this approach with many high end cars in his shop and from what I've read on the PI Forum some folks have found the modern bonding materials end up being stronger than the surrounding metal. He felt welding may warp and damage some of the surrounding metal. I was good with this approach as this is purely a cosmetic patch and not structural. As far as bumpers to replace the L bumpers I went with the versions that Bob Byers sells which are the smaller "euro" blades front and rear. I had to do some filing for the fronts to fit flush against the body and the backs fit just fine as they came from Bob. I'm happy with their quality (all steel). I really like the look of the car in this configuration : ). I get it back from the shop on 13 July and then I'll reassemble everything. Yes, I kept every part that came off the car incase some crazy investor type ends up with my car (only if I die!) and wants to put the federalized bumpers back on the car. I think it does look fine with the L bumper but simply wanted a new look and decided to go with what I see many of the European folks doing with the L cars they buy and bring back to Europe. I'll post some pics here and on the PI Forum (and the POCA forum) once it's done. I guess I'll also update my pics on the PROVAMO registry. If you're thinking of doing this with your L I'm happy to discuss it further : ) Mike Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Larry, yes I forgot.....the body shop owner also said it's WAY better for corrosion protection which is all good with an old Pantera! Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 From: [2]Larry - Ohio Time Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:50 AM To: [3]'Mike Reilly'; [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Converting Pantera L Bumpers << decided to go with bonding the metal>> Mike, Most new cars are assembled with bonding (glues) on there body panels. I like the process. Living in the some what Great White Salty North, I fight rust all the time. Placing two sheet metal panels together and zapping it with a spot welder is just opening the door for rust to form. If you think your good looking welds are water tight, just try welding on an air tank, like I just did, to see how poorly your good looking welds can be. EEEKKKKK!!!! Larry (glue me baby) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mike Reilly Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:34 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Converting Pantera L Bumpers This topic has been covered extensively on this mail list and the PI Forum as well. PanteraPlace.com also has good info in a tech article. Anyway, after 25 years of owning my mostly stock 74 L I have decided to remove the L bumpers and fill in the holes from their mounting points both front and rear. I found a good body shop to match my original factory red paint using a single stage application. I did all the disassembly so all they have to do is fill in the holes and paint. It's still in the shop and in discussions with the shop owner we decided to go with bonding the metal patches (where the old bumper shocks went through the body) rather than welding them in. He uses this approach with many high end cars in his shop and from what I've read on the PI Forum some folks have found the modern bonding materials end up being stronger than the surrounding metal. He felt welding may warp and damage some of the surrounding metal. I was good with this approach as this is purely a cosmetic patch and not structural. As far as bumpers to replace the L bumpers I went with the versions that Bob Byers sells which are the smaller "euro" blades front and rear. I had to do some filing for the fronts to fit flush against the body and the backs fit just fine as they came from Bob. I'm happy with their quality (all steel). I really like the look of the car in this configuration : ). I get it back from the shop on 13 July and then I'll reassemble everything. Yes, I kept every part that came off the car incase some crazy investor type ends up with my car (only if I die!) and wants to put the federalized bumpers back on the car. I think it does look fine with the L bumper but simply wanted a new look and decided to go with what I see many of the European folks doing with the L cars they buy and bring back to Europe. I'll post some pics here and on the PI Forum (and the POCA forum) once it's done. I guess I'll also update my pics on the PROVAMO registry. If you're thinking of doing this with your L I'm happy to discuss it further : ) Mike Sent from Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 2. mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com 3. mailto:reillyms@live.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com

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Converting Pantera L Bumpers
by Mike Reilly 30 Jun '16

30 Jun '16

This topic has been covered extensively on this mail list and the PI Forum as well. PanteraPlace.com also has good info in a tech article. Anyway, after 25 years of owning my mostly stock 74 L I have decided to remove the L bumpers and fill in the holes from their mounting points both front and rear. I found a good body shop to match my original factory red paint using a single stage application. I did all the disassembly so all they have to do is fill in the holes and paint. It’s still in the shop and in discussions with the shop owner we decided to go with bonding the metal patches (where the old bumper shocks went through the body) rather than welding them in. He uses this approach with many high end cars in his shop and from what I’ve read on the PI Forum some folks have found the modern bonding materials end up being stronger than the surrounding metal. He felt welding may warp and damage some of the surrounding metal. I was good with this approach as this is purely a cosmetic patch and not structural. As far as bumpers to replace the L bumpers I went with the versions that Bob Byers sells which are the smaller “euro” blades front and rear. I had to do some filing for the fronts to fit flush against the body and the backs fit just fine as they came from Bob. I’m happy with their quality (all steel). I really like the look of the car in this configuration : ). I get it back from the shop on 13 July and then I’ll reassemble everything. Yes, I kept every part that came off the car incase some crazy investor type ends up with my car (only if I die!) and wants to put the federalized bumpers back on the car. I think it does look fine with the L bumper but simply wanted a new look and decided to go with what I see many of the European folks doing with the L cars they buy and bring back to Europe. I’ll post some pics here and on the PI Forum (and the POCA forum) once it’s done. I guess I’ll also update my pics on the PROVAMO registry. If you’re thinking of doing this with your L I’m happy to discuss it further : ) Mike Sent from Mail for Windows 10 This topic has been covered extensively on this mail list and the PI Forum as well. PanteraPlace.com also has good info in a tech article. Anyway, after 25 years of owning my mostly stock 74 L I have decided to remove the L bumpers and fill in the holes from their mounting points both front and rear. I found a good body shop to match my original factory red paint using a single stage application. I did all the disassembly so all they have to do is fill in the holes and paint. It's still in the shop and in discussions with the shop owner we decided to go with bonding the metal patches (where the old bumper shocks went through the body) rather than welding them in. He uses this approach with many high end cars in his shop and from what I've read on the PI Forum some folks have found the modern bonding materials end up being stronger than the surrounding metal. He felt welding may warp and damage some of the surrounding metal. I was good with this approach as this is purely a cosmetic patch and not structural. As far as bumpers to replace the L bumpers I went with the versions that Bob Byers sells which are the smaller "euro" blades front and rear. I had to do some filing for the fronts to fit flush against the body and the backs fit just fine as they came from Bob. I'm happy with their quality (all steel). I really like the look of the car in this configuration : ). I get it back from the shop on 13 July and then I'll reassemble everything. Yes, I kept every part that came off the car incase some crazy investor type ends up with my car (only if I die!) and wants to put the federalized bumpers back on the car. I think it does look fine with the L bumper but simply wanted a new look and decided to go with what I see many of the European folks doing with the L cars they buy and bring back to Europe. I'll post some pics here and on the PI Forum (and the POCA forum) once it's done. I guess I'll also update my pics on the PROVAMO registry. If you're thinking of doing this with your L I'm happy to discuss it further : ) Mike Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986

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Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material?
by thells 30 Jun '16

30 Jun '16

Another good source of heat shielding products is here, they have a wide range of sheets, sleeves and wraps for any application: https://www.heatshieldproducts.com/automotive/ I used several of their products when I raced a 300ZX turbo in the SCCA, the turbo got remarkably hot during a 30 minute race. Dan -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Timko >Sent: Jun 30, 2016 7:05 AM >To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insulation material? > >This is a list of stuff a lot or racers use to protect their bodywork. >Some of it is pretty expensive, but so is paint... > >https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HEATBARRIER > >Paul >#9270 > >On 6/30/2016 8:57 AM, Jerry Knotts wrote: >> >> 71 Pantera well worn 377 twin turbo motor. >> >> After a short trip yesterday I noticed one of my turbos was leaking >> oil. A small amount on the input (pressure) side. A quick tightening >> and it was fine. I did notice a small paint bubble on the deck directly >> above the turbo. There is about 2 inches clearance about the turbos but >> the deck was really hot to the touch. >> >> Question. I am looking for a product that can be applied (as a sheet or >> thin blanket) to the underside of the deck above the turbo. I have some >> chromed sheet metal shields that I may be able to fit to the turbos but >> would like the real protection of an insulator. >> >> Thanks in advance to the "collective", >> >> jerry knotts >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve the archiving of list messages. >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Pantera Insurance
by Mike Reilly 30 Jun '16

30 Jun '16

I think that’s been covered quite a bit but happy to throw in what I’m doing. As a veteran I have USAA and they partner with American Collectors so I use them. Agreed value of $93K for my mostly stock 74 L. I’m happy with the rate and service and have been with USAA for about 30 years. Although I keep seeing six figure auction results so I may need to adjust. Mike Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: shawkins777(a)comcast.net<mailto:shawkins777@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:38 AM Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is This The DeTomaso Mail List? Yes you are, what do you want to talk about. How about how much is everyone insuring their Pantera for? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Reilly" <reillyms(a)live.com> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:32:29 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Is This The DeTomaso Mail List? Hi all. Am I on the correct list for discussion about DeTomaso cars with folks helping each other out to keep them running and to enjoy them? All I seem to see are posts that look like something from a bad reality TV show : ( Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I think that's been covered quite a bit but happy to throw in what I'm doing. As a veteran I have USAA and they partner with American Collectors so I use them. Agreed value of $93K for my mostly stock 74 L. I'm happy with the rate and service and have been with USAA for about 30 years. Although I keep seeing six figure auction results so I may need to adjust. Mike Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 From: [2]shawkins777(a)comcast.net Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:38 AM Cc: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is This The DeTomaso Mail List? Yes you are, what do you want to talk about. How about how much is everyone insuring their Pantera for? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Reilly" <reillyms(a)live.com> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:32:29 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Is This The DeTomaso Mail List? Hi all. Am I on the correct list for discussion about DeTomaso cars with folks helping each other out to keep them running and to enjoy them? All I seem to see are posts that look like something from a bad reality TV show : ( Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 2. mailto:shawkins777@comcast.net 3. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
by RallyFanatic＠aol.com 30 Jun '16

30 Jun '16

In a message dated 6/29/2016 9:15:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, forestg(a)att.net writes: John, Say what you will but none of this took place until after Mr. Shortt started reviling people. Maybe you should get more facts before backing someone up.Forest From: John Bennett <jbennett111(a)zoho.com> To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles(a)ex3.com> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles(a)ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.zoho.com/mail/ 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. John, Say what you will but none of this took place until after Mr. Shortt started reviling people. Maybe you should get more facts before backing someone up. Forest __________________________________________________________________ From: John Bennett <jbennett111(a)zoho.com> To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles(a)ex3.com> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <[1]nathan.giles(a)ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[2][2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3][3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [4][4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. [05] In a message dated 6/29/2016 9:15:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, forestg(a)att.net writes: John, Say what you will but none of this took place until after Mr. Shortt started reviling people. Maybe you should get more facts before backing someone up.Forest From: John Bennett <jbennett111(a)zoho.com> To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles(a)ex3.com> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles(a)ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Maybe you should get more facts before backing someone up. Forest __________________________________________________________________ From: John Bennett <jbennett111(a)zoho.com> To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles(a)ex3.com> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <[1]nathan.giles(a)ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[2][2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3][3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [4][4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
by RallyFanatic＠aol.com 30 Jun '16

30 Jun '16

You are absolutely correct Larry. I remember everything exactly as you have stated. Facts are facts. Sandi Snyder In a message dated 6/29/2016 8:04:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: All, Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather lengthy email. For someone who just last week talked about being “positive”, “congenial” and “professional”, I found today’s post to exhibit very little of those qualities. But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not intend to run again as Editor of Profiles.” Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the pertinent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let’s see if I can find where/when such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Boilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officers up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. That page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Treasurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members been nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual Editor position in September's newsletter was: Annual Editor - Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requirement.) Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November issue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a candidate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again No new candidate Write-in candidate ——————— Associate Vote ——————— I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed to submit the required statement. Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candidate's statement. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” - ‘Freewill’ by Rush, 1980 I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsletter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, just a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettable omission by Mike Drew. Laurie’s statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Drew’s actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. Larry All, Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather lengthy email. For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very little of those qualities. But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E ditor position in September's newsletter was: Annual Editor - Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir ement.) Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again No new candidate Write-in candidate -------------- Associate Vote -------------- I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed to submit the required statement. Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida te's statement. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl e omission by Mike Drew. Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. Larry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. You are absolutely correct Larry. I remember everything exactly as you have stated. Facts are facts. Sandi Snyder In a message dated 6/29/2016 8:04:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: All, Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather lengthy email. For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very little of those qualities. But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the pertinent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Boilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officers up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. That page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Treasurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members been nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual Editor position in September's newsletter was: Annual Editor - Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requirement.) Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November issue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a candidate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again No new candidate Write-in candidate -------------- Associate Vote -------------- I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed to submit the required statement. Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candidate's statement. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsletter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, just a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettable omission by Mike Drew. Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Drew's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. Larry All, Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather lengthy email. For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very little of those qualities. But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E ditor position in September's newsletter was: Annual Editor - Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir ement.) Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again No new candidate Write-in candidate -------------- Associate Vote -------------- I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed to submit the required statement. Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida te's statement. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl e omission by Mike Drew. Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. Larry _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Car Trailers
by MyCars 30 Jun '16

30 Jun '16

Anyone know where you can rent an open car trailer (tongue, 5th wheel or gooseneck) long enough to carry two cars (75 Corvette & 71 Pantera). I am in SoCal and need to go get my cars that are up in Seattle. The usual places like U-Haul, Ryder & Pensky, won't rent for a Corvette or Pantera (they say they don't fit) and they only have trailers long enough for 1 car. Thanks Roydon

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I am thrilled
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30 Jun '16

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