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Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
by Rod Kunishige 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Judy's old database provides for a Mail Class entry that is now used for foreign or bulk mailings (USA). I was given permission to crate a TPOC mail field that was used to encourage TPOC Chapter members to opt for an email version of our newsletter. It reduced our Chapter postage costs until we finally switched to an all email delivery many years later. I removed the field once it was no longer being used. Mail Class field is not in the clubexpress database because it was not considered essential along with all of the member interest data and all of the car specific data including color & license etc. Judy's unilateral decision to maintain her db current despite instructions to destroy it allows us to chose to use this field to indicate an email delivery selection. BTW, when we asked for those interested getting the POCA Newsletter via email only ONE person wanted it by email. Finally, let me remind you that at the LV Rally President's meeting, the Presidents representatives gathered voted to incur the added $10 charge but the then POCA President nullified that vote saying he only recognized 5 votes from the nearly thirty there. Simply, let's let the Board do its work to select the best for the club based on input from the Chapter Presidents etc. Then we may modify the database to solve the method of delivery chosen. Rod <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> Judy's old database provides for a Mail Class entry that is now used for foreign or bulk mailings (USA). I was given permission to crate a TPOC mail field that was used to encourage TPOC Chapter members to opt for an email version of our newsletter. It reduced our Chapter postage costs until we finally switched to an all email delivery many years later. I removed the field once it was no longer being used. Mail Class field is not in the clubexpress database because it was not considered essential along with all of the member interest data and all of the car specific data including color & license etc. Judy's unilateral decision to maintain her db current despite instructions to destroy it allows us to chose to use this field to indicate an email delivery selection. BTW, when we asked for those interested getting the POCA Newsletter via email only ONE person wanted it by email. Finally, let me remind you that at the LV Rally President's meeting, the Presidents representatives gathered voted to incur the added $10 charge but the then POCA President nullified that vote saying he only recognized 5 votes from the nearly thirty there. Simply, let's let the Board do its work to select the best for the club based on input from the Chapter Presidents etc. Then we may modify the database to solve the method of delivery chosen. Rod References Visible links Hidden links: 2. http://aka.ms/weboutlook

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
by Scott Couchman 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Here's a couple of reference articles on print vs digital magazines. I'm sure there are studies that support digital, I just wasn't able to find any. For the TLDR crowd, they basically say people generally prefer printed magazines, old folks like me like printed magazines more than teenagers, digital is growing but slowly, some digital have had some success by now adding print editions too, and some digital success has resulted from adding video and other more interactive elements (something we won't likely have to offer). Google print vs digital magazines to look for yourself. http://www.freeportpress.com/print-vs-digital-how-we-really-consume-our-mag… https://www.themediabriefing.com/article/deloitte-tablets-newspapers-subscr… https://digitalpublishing2016.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/digital-magazines-ar…

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De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
by Ed Mendez 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! De Tomaso: Other Pantera GTS http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC

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Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
by Charles Engles 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

Dear Jeff, Yes, you reminded me. The US version Pantera GTS had only cosmetics added to a Pantera L. The European GTS had, IIRC, the whole handling enchilada: ten inch rear campys, bigger sway bars, suspension tweaks, etc, etc. IIRC, at the time, the Euro spec Pantera GTS had a test of over 0.9g on the lateral skid pad, which was rarified territory at the time for a production car. The American version had only the clock, the paint job and the fender flares. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Detrich Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:50 PM To: Douglas Kelm Cc: DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; San Diego Panteras Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!! On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net> wrote: > Those sure don't look like 10" Campis on the rear of that car! Mike, > comment. Also, was there ever such a thing as a 9" Campi? > Doug > I don't think they had 10 inch Campis, just the regular 7s and 8s. Tacked on fender flares, a different paint scheme and graphics and a clock for the dash was all that you got. Jeff 6559

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Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
by P6746＠aol.com 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

To use a cliche, we're working on it. Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand. There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole membership. The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it digitally. As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but not proportionately. An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run. As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis. Bob Reid In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. To use a cliche, we're working on it. Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand. There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole membership. The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it digitally. As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but not proportionately. An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run. As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis. Bob Reid In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Info needed on 3887
by Dick Koch 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

I would appreciate any information on Pantera ...3887. I will be doing an inspection of the car and would like to have some background on the car before then. Thanks. Dick Koch - Atlanta I would appreciate any information on Pantera ...3887.A I will be doing an inspection of the car and would like to have some background on the car before then. Thanks. Dick Koch - Atlanta

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Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
by Ed Mendez 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

No they definitely are not 10's, that is the first thing I noticed. On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net> wrote: Those sure don't look like 10" Campis on the rear of that car! Mike, comment. Also, was there ever such a thing as a 9" Campi? Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mendez Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:58 AM To: San Diego Panteras; DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!! Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! De Tomaso: Other Pantera GTS http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. No they definitely are not 10's, that is the first thing I noticed. On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net> wrote: Those sure don't look like 10" Campis on the rear of that car! Mike, comment. Also, was there ever such a thing as a 9" Campi? Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mendez Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:58 AM To: San Diego Panteras; [1]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!! Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! De Tomaso: Other Pantera GTS [2]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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Follow up-Cat's Exotics 1973 Pantera L-week two-revised
by Matt 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

It's been pointed out to me that palm trees are not just native to Florida but Cali and I'm sure other warm climates but that still does not explain the mileage discrepancy. It could have been two blocks away but the speedo shows no additional movement whatsoever between the two pics. Matt 3584 It's been pointed out to me that palm trees are not just native to Florida but Cali and I'm sure other warm climates but that still does not explain the mileage discrepancy. It could have been two blocks away but the speedo shows no additional movement whatsoever between the two pics. Matt 3584

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Follow up-Cat's Exotics 1973 Pantera L-week two
by Matt 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

Ok so it's been a week and I haven't heard back from John at Cat's Exotics. I checked back on their website and they since added some pics. They also bumped up the price a bit if I remember right. I believe it was $83 something before and now it's $84,888. I'm curious now. So I checked on the ProvaMo registry(thank you Chuck) and on 6/5/16 pics were added with no info. Now it get's interesting! A few things didn't add up. First off the pics on ProvaMo showed the EXACT same mileage as on Cat's website. Second the ProvaMo pics show the car being photographed in front of what looks like palm trees. Thirdly a typical dealer tag is visible in the ProvaMo pics. Now how did that same car get from a part of the country where palm trees are native to the great Northwest where there's not a palm tree in sight anywhere and not turn a single mile? Broken speedo/odometer cable? If so,how long has it not worked? The only thing that makes sense to me is it was shipped from a dealer somewhere in the Florida area up to Seattle with a broken cable. This leads me to believe that since Cat's deals in mostly Lambos,which are not a rarity in Florida, that he has a dealer connection in that area that ships him cars. There may be a logical explanation for the discrepancies but if it smells like poop... I could be way off base but it makes me question the actual mileage vs. what is represented. Maybe not a big deal to a some buyers but certainly worth noting. Matt 3584 http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso-pantera-luxury-lyn… Ok so it's been a week and I haven't heard back from John at Cat's Exotics. I checked back on their website and they since added some pics. They also bumped up the price a bit if I remember right. I believe it was $83 something before and now it's $84,888. I'm curious now. So I checked on the ProvaMo registry(thank you Chuck) and on 6/5/16 pics were added with no info. Now it get's interesting! A few things didn't add up. First off the pics on ProvaMo showed the EXACT same mileage as on Cat's website. Second the ProvaMo pics show the car being photographed in front of what looks like palm trees. Thirdly a typical dealer tag is visible in the ProvaMo pics. Now how did that same car get from a part of the country where palm trees are native to the great Northwest where there's not a palm tree in sight anywhere and not turn a single mile? Broken speedo/odometer cable? If so,how long has it not worked? The only thing that makes sense to me is it was shipped from a dealer somewhere in the Florida area up to Seattle with a broken cable. This leads me to believe that since Cat's deals in mostly Lambos,which are not a rarity in Florida, that he has a dealer connection in that area that ships him cars. There may be a logical explanation for the discrepancies but if it smells like poop... I could be way off base but it makes me question the actual mileage vs. what is represented. Maybe not a big deal to a some buyers but certainly worth noting. Matt 3584 A A [1]http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso-pantera-l uxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375 References 1. http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso-pantera-luxury-lyn…

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
by marshallgsmith 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

....and rather than raising dues to supply printed copies of newsletters and magazines that we've gotten for decades which we're included with our dues, we can save money by supplying digital copies of same to those who request them. Way too simple. M Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> Date: 8/14/16 7:42 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com>, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Reply-To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM To: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the analysis on the printing/mailing cost. 2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've said that I hope I can find the reference :-) 3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years) and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club. 4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read that months issue. :-( On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: I doubt that it is linear, though. If it costs $24,000 to mail to everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000. I¹m not debating numbers. I¹m only saying that the cost benefit analysis needs to be done. Personally, I want paper. I look at a computer terminal all day. I don¹t want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news. Besides, it helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail. On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich" <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000. Just my 2cents as JDR says. Jeff 6559 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <[1]steve(a)snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>> wrote: I agree wholeheartedly!A But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>; Jeff Detrich <[4]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>; [5]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUTa|. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!!A A I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter.A Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO.A A Feel free to flame me.A A ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213 Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147 [7]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[8]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> d--od-, From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com<mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[11]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[12]forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[13]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[14]forest g(a)att.net<mailto:g@att.net>>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[15]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[16]jj detrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>>, "[17]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[18] laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>" <[19]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[20] laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>> Cc: "[21]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist>. com<mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[23]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[24]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[25]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[26]jj detrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>> To: [27]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[28]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [29]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[30]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 A On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso A <[1][31]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[32]detoma so(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:so@server.detomasolist.com>>> wrote: A A save $8,000 A Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about A $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to A keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. A Jeff A 6559 References A 1. mailto:[33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [34]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[35]DeTomaso@server. detomasolist.com> [36]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart ....and rather than raising dues to supply printed copies of newsletters and magazines that we've gotten for decades which we're included with our dues, we can save money by supplying digital copies of same to those who request them. Way too simple. M Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> Date: 8/14/16 7:42 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com>, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Reply-To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM To: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the analysis on the printing/mailing cost. 2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've said that I hope I can find the reference :-) 3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years) and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club. 4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read that months issue. :-( On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: I doubt that it is linear, though. If it costs $24,000 to mail to everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000. I^1m not debating numbers. I^1m only saying that the cost benefit analysis needs to be done. Personally, I want paper. I look at a computer terminal all day. I don^1t want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news. Besides, it helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail. On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich" <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com> on behalf of jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000. Just my 2cents as JDR says. Jeff 6559 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <[1]steve(a)snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>> wrote: I agree wholeheartedly!A But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>; Jeff Detrich <[4]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>; [5]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUTa|. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!!A A I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter.A Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO.A A Feel free to flame me.A A ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213 Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147 [7]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[8]thimes@jpl .nasa.gov> d--od-, From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com<mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[11]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[12]forestg@att.net >> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[13]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[14]forest g(a)att.net<mailto:g@att.net>>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[15]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[16]jj detrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>>, "[17]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[18] laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>" <[19]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[20] laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>> Cc: "[21]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist>. com<mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[23]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasoli st.com><mailto:[24]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[25]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[26]jj detrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>> To: [27]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[28]laur ieferrari(a)aol.com> Cc: [29]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolis t.com><mailto:[30]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 A On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso A <[1][31]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomas olist.com><mailto:[32]detoma so(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:so@server.detomasolist.com>>> wrote: A A save $8,000 A Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about A $10 per member. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart

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