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Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk
by Charles Engles 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Dear Marshall, Interesting. Is that a modern space saver spare that is completely functional?? Curious, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of marshall smith Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:16 PM To: JACKIE RANS; Ed Mendez Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; mikedmayberry(a)hotmail.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk I have a stock space-saver spare mounted on a Campy wheel. Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/9/16, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk To: "JACKIE RANS" <falconjackpam(a)sbcglobal.net> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, mikedmayberry(a)hotmail.com Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 1:13 PM Check with Mike Mayberry cc'd in this email. [1]mikedmayberry(a)hotmail.com Ed On Aug 09, 2016, at 08:10 AM, JACKIE RANS <falconjackpam(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/8/16, [2]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com <detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 8 To: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:00 PM Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [6]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [7]detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? (Asa Jay Laughton) 2. NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource (Mike Thomas) 3. 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Matt) 4. Re: Has anyone researched hood vent designs? (Dave Londry) (Charles Engles) 5. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Julian Kift) 6. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) 7. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:07:11 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> To: [8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Message-ID: <57A75CAF.8080000(a)asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I've not done A/C since my days in Automotive Technology school. But as I recall, the "goal" was to have 45F degrees at the vents. 38F at the vents sounds pretty darn good to me. :) Can you come and do mine? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1][9]http://w7tsc.org [2][10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 8/7/2016 3:25 AM, Jeff Cobb wrote: Jim, How cold do you want to be? You are almost as cold as Hillary Clinton's soul! Remove tools and hang meat. Jeff On Aug 6, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Pantdino [3]<[1]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: So at 83F ambient temp and 1500 rpm I see 7 psi on low side and 250 on high. I got one of those vent thermometers and it shows 35F at the vent. Sounds pretty good to me Or should I add a bit more 134? -----Original Message----- From: Pantdino [4]<[2]pantdino(a)aol.com> To: jeffcobb1 [5]<[3]jeffcobb1(a)me.com>; detomaso [6]<[4]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jeff, I hooked up the high pressure side gauge and get these numbers: before starting car, 100 psi both sides after system settles down, at 1500 rpm, low side 7 psi, high side 225 psi. As the car warmed the engine speed increased to maybe 1750 rpm and the high side was creeping up to 240-250 but the low was staying at 5-7. Ambient temp was 77F, so should be about 40-45 low side, 170 high side. According to the info sheet, this "Hi side too high, low side too low" situation would imply "blockage of expansion valve or orifice tube." Would that be from having the R12 valve in a system now using 134? I used my laser thermometer on the vents and got 20-40F, but I suspect that kind of thermometer is not accurate for this application because on my street car I got like 13F, which I think cannot be right. Anyway, it seems to me if I add more 134 I run the risk of blowing the high side hose at 3000 rpm and 85F temp. Does that sound right? I do have 15 12 oz cans of old school R12 I bought way back when, so I could switch to R12, but I would have to take the car to have the 134 recycled, replace the dryer, put the system under vacuum, etc so would like not to. Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: JEFFREY COBB [7]<[5]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [8]<[6]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [9]<[7]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2016 3:37 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jim, All cars use different pressures and for examples this week we did a/c work on a 124 Fiat, many Benz-Bmws-Toyotas, a 71 e-type, Ford +Chevy trucks, a Cobra kit car and a Mangusta. But basic pressures at 1,500 rpm with cooling fans on and on high, with both windows open, rear and front hatch closed, high fan and not on recirc should be about 35 + - low side and 250 + - high. Seems like a 7:1 ratio works the best. Converted systems do need different numbers but never too much of a change. So your low range should vary from 20 to 38 psi and the high 210 to 260 psi as long as above written parameters are meet. The proper pressures will equate to the coolest temps. You have to note that and remember you are just setting the vent output for the coolest temp not some pre-considered ideal temp you hope for. About 30 % of all of our a/c fixes are fixing the stuck on heaters. We are in hot Louisiana, make sure your heater is truly shut off by doing a liquid test. Do use the correct oil and add 2 oz if you are not sure of how much is in. You can always expel the working high side into a cloth or jug for 2 seconds to get an idea if you are oily enough. A lot of spit indicates fine but dry expelled gas needs oil. Keep cool, Jeff Jeff Cobb- I pad W-225-343-7525 C-225-907-4514 Jeff Cobb Auto Works 1316 S. Acadian Thruway Baton Rouge, La. 70806 [8][11]http://www.LiveOakConcours.org On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Pantdino [10]<[9]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: Hi, Jeff, What should the pressures be? Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cobb [11]<[10]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [12]<[11]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [13]<[12]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Cc: Jeff Cobb [14]<[13]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? The sight glass is always used as a reference point. You must go by the dual gauges. Never by the low side only. Jeff Cobb On Aug 4, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso [15]<[14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > After switching the AC system to 134a, do you use the sight glass in > the dryer or go by the pressure at the low pressure port like with > modern cars? > > Sorry, but I don't recall what I learned several years ago when I > switched the system over. > > Jim Oddie > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [[16]15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [16][17][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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[20]http://www.liveoakconcours.org/ 26. mailto:pantdino@aol.com 27. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com 28. mailto:pantdino@aol.com 29. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 30. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com 31. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 32. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 33. [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 34. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 35. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 36. [23]http://www.avg.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:06:54 -0700 From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> To: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource Message-ID: <05a101d1f0d6$7b679ab0$7236d010$(a)comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A very original Maserati Khamsin Ebay listing sent out by Masertisource. Very original, but definitely not flawless. Pretty car, except for the butt-ugly US bumpers. The front looks like it's choking on a hockey puck, the back is just a visual mess between the PANTERA tail lights, and the rubber transom of a bumper. It is the perfect color though. [24]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maserati-KHAMSIN-Base-Coupe-2-Door-/4011647 35310?for cerrptr=true&hash=item5d6748134e:g:sxQAAOSwhOdXoe8V&item=401164735310 Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:48:56 -0700 From: Matt <nwpantera(a)gmail.com> To: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT Message-ID: <CAAygGO-+eJ5mU5UFArxKv6uCGrR1CxxPbBoXpwoFdj9ZCy1otA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I went to go inspect the car today. It was next door in the detailing shop. The sales guy, John Zuberek, could not gain access since they were closed. He reminded me of Tom Cruise in Risky Business, dealing Lambos! So he is going to email me when it's done and I can go back for a look next week. He also said they have an interested buyer(don't they all?),which may explain the detailing. They must have 20 Lamborghini's just that I could see and some other speciality cars too. Millions of dollars worth of cars. I felt like I walked into a bank vault. I felt a little out of my comfort zone but we talked and he filled me in on the different Lambo models and car stuff in general.They sell between 15-30 cars a month and cater to Lambo buyers primarily. They claim to be one of the biggest Lambo dealers around. He said the owner, Roy Cats, has a special place in his heart for Panteras though. He indicated Roy had recently found another car he's purchasing soon. Stay tuned. John also said they feel the market is surging for Panteras right now. Duh! But in the same breath he added "it's like the stock market ,who knows?". They did have a car I would take over all the rest though, a 2006 Ford GT in Gulf livery. So I took a few pics for you. I haven't tried attaching pics yet so please let me know PM if they don't show up and I'll find another way to post. Let you know what I find out about the Pantera later this week. Matt 3584 [25]http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso- pantera-luxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375

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Booster coolant pump
by Julian Kift 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Anyone used an electric booster pump in conjunction with the mechanical pump for improved cooling, if so what have you used and how is it configured (always on, pwm controller)? Thanks, Julian Anyone used an electric booster pump in conjunction with the mechanical pump for improved cooling, if so what have you used and how is it configured (always on, pwm controller)? Thanks, Julian

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Re: [DeTomaso] Booster coolant pump
by David Nunn 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Julian, The major difference between the Stewart and Meziere remote water pumps is; the Stewart doesn't block coolant flow when it's off whereas the Meziere does. Julian, The major difference between the Stewart and Meziere remote water pumps is; the Stewart doesn't block coolant flow when it's off whereas the Meziere does.

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Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Jack (I assume that's your name?) Your e-mail came through completely blank, but your subject line pretty well lays out your question. Before getting down to specifics, let me suggest something perhaps you hadn't considered. Let's say you're driving down the road and BOOM, you get a flat tire. You pull over, pull out your jack and your spare, install the spare, inflate it, lower the car back onto the road.... ...and then what? Your rare, exotic and expensive factory wheel and flat tire (or equally expensive and rare aftermarket wheel and flat tire) are sitting there on the shoulder of the road. What do you plan to do with them? It's much too big to fit into the car! You're not going to abandon them, so no matter what, you're going to need to call a tow truck. So given that's the case, why even bother carrying a spare? Having said that, if you are really wanting a spare (perhaps for concours), they are rare and expensive, coveted by the Mustang restoration guys. The spare used in the Pantera was the same one used on late 1960s and early 1970s performance Mustangs, including the '69 and '70 Shelby, Boss 302, Boss 429, 428 CJ cars with fold down rear seat and trunk-mounted batteries. There is one available for sale on Ebay right now for $995 plus $36.85 shipping (buy it now price), and another one in much better shape available for auction with a starting price of $395 (but the reserve is likely much higher). Personally I would never trust a 40-year-old collapsible spare tire in any circumstances, so I would view that as a display item only. Others have found that lightweight spacesaver tires from later-model Fords (Crown Vics etc.) will fit, and they can be had from junkyards for a fraction of the cost. But personally, I wouldn't bother. I would carry a can of fix-a-flat (note that some of those use PROPANE as the inflator, and are highly explosive; more than one Pantera has suffered extensive damage from an explosion, so read the label carefully, and keep it in the front trunk!), and a AAA card…. Mike Jack (I assume that's your name?) Your e-mail came through completely blank, but your subject line pretty well lays out your question. Before getting down to specifics, let me suggest something perhaps you hadn't considered. Let's say you're driving down the road and BOOM, you get a flat tire. You pull over, pull out your jack and your spare, install the spare, inflate it, lower the car back onto the road.... ...and then what? Your rare, exotic and expensive factory wheel and flat tire (or equally expensive and rare aftermarket wheel and flat tire) are sitting there on the shoulder of the road. What do you plan to do with them? It's much too big to fit into the car! You're not going to abandon them, so no matter what, you're going to need to call a tow truck. So given that's the case, why even bother carrying a spare? Having said that, if you are really wanting a spare (perhaps for concours), they are rare and expensive, coveted by the Mustang restoration guys. The spare used in the Pantera was the same one used on late 1960s and early 1970s performance Mustangs, including the '69 and '70 Shelby, Boss 302, Boss 429, 428 CJ cars with fold down rear seat and trunk-mounted batteries. There is one available for sale on Ebay right now for $995 plus $36.85 shipping (buy it now price), and another one in much better shape available for auction with a starting price of $395 (but the reserve is likely much higher). Personally I would never trust a 40-year-old collapsible spare tire in any circumstances, so I would view that as a display item only. Others have found that lightweight spacesaver tires from later-model Fords (Crown Vics etc.) will fit, and they can be had from junkyards for a fraction of the cost. But personally, I wouldn't bother. I would carry a can of fix-a-flat (note that some of those use PROPANE as the inflator, and are highly explosive; more than one Pantera has suffered extensive damage from an explosion, so read the label carefully, and keep it in the front trunk!), and a AAA carda|. Mike

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Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk
by bill gaino 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

I found a crown vic spare that is the same height as my 335-35-17. That way , it will not eat up the Zf diff. I can get size specific if you need me to. It is the skinny style. Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -----Original Message----- >From: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> >Sent: Aug 9, 2016 4:13 PM >To: JACKIE RANS <falconjackpam(a)sbcglobal.net> >Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, mikedmayberry(a)hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk > > Check with Mike Mayberry cc'd in this > email. [1]mikedmayberry(a)hotmail.com > > Ed > > On Aug 09, 2016, at 08:10 AM, JACKIE RANS <falconjackpam(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 8/8/16, [2]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > <detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 8 > To: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:00 PM > Send DeTomaso mailing list > submissions to > [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > [6]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > You can reach the person managing the list at > [7]detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > Daily Detomaso List Digest > Today's Topics: > 1. Re: latest numbers in AC that has been > retrofitted to 134a? > (Asa Jay Laughton) > 2. NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on > Maseratisource (Mike Thomas) > 3. 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up > and Ford GT (Matt) > 4. Re: Has anyone researched hood > vent designs? > (Dave Londry) > (Charles Engles) > 5. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow > up and Ford GT > (Julian Kift) > 6. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow > up and Ford GT > (Dave Londry) > 7. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow > up and Ford GT > (Dave Londry) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:07:11 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> > To: [8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] latest numbers in AC that has been > retrofitted > to 134a? > Message-ID: <57A75CAF.8080000(a)asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > I've not done A/C since my days in > Automotive Technology school. But > as I recall, the "goal" was to have 45F > degrees at the vents. > 38F at the vents sounds pretty darn good > to me. :) > Can you come and do mine? > Asa Jay > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > [1][9]http://w7tsc.org > [2][10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > On 8/7/2016 3:25 AM, Jeff Cobb wrote: > Jim, > How cold do you want to be? > You are almost as cold as Hillary > Clinton's soul! > Remove tools and hang meat. > Jeff > On Aug 6, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Pantdino > [3]<[1]pantdino(a)aol.com> > wrote: > So at 83F ambient temp and 1500 rpm I see > 7 psi on low side and 250 on > high. > I got one of those vent thermometers and > it shows 35F at the vent. > Sounds pretty good to me > Or should I add a bit more 134? > -----Original Message----- > From: Pantdino [4]<[2]pantdino(a)aol.com> > To: jeffcobb1 [5]<[3]jeffcobb1(a)me.com>; > detomaso > [6]<[4]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 12:23 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in > AC that has been retrofitted > to 134a? > Jeff, > I hooked up the high pressure side gauge > and get these numbers: > before starting car, 100 psi both sides > after system settles down, at 1500 rpm, > low side 7 psi, high side 225 > psi. As the car warmed the engine > speed increased to maybe 1750 rpm > and the high side was creeping up to > 240-250 but the low was staying at > 5-7. > Ambient temp was 77F, so should be about > 40-45 low side, 170 high side. > According to the info sheet, this "Hi side > too high, low side too low" > situation would imply "blockage of > expansion valve or orifice tube." > Would that be from having the R12 valve in > a system now using 134? > I used my laser thermometer on the vents > and got 20-40F, but I suspect > that kind of thermometer is not accurate > for this application because > on my street car I got like 13F, which I > think cannot be right. > Anyway, it seems to me if I add more 134 I > run the risk of blowing the > high side hose at 3000 rpm and 85F > temp. Does that sound right? > I do have 15 12 oz cans of old school R12 > I bought way back when, so I > could switch to R12, but I would have to > take the car to have the 134 > recycled, replace the dryer, put the > system under vacuum, etc so would > like not to. > Thank you, > Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: JEFFREY COBB [7]<[5]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> > To: Pantdino [8]<[6]pantdino(a)aol.com>; > detomaso > [9]<[7]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2016 3:37 am > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in > AC that has been retrofitted > to 134a? > Jim, > All cars use different pressures and > for examples this week we did a/c > work on a 124 Fiat, many > Benz-Bmws-Toyotas, a 71 e-type, Ford +Chevy > trucks, a Cobra kit car and a Mangusta. > But basic pressures at 1,500 rpm with > cooling fans on and on high, with > both windows open, rear and front hatch > closed, high fan and not on > recirc should be about 35 + - low side and > 250 + - high. Seems like a > 7:1 ratio works the best. Converted > systems do need different numbers > but never too much of a change. So your > low range should vary from 20 > to 38 psi and the high 210 to 260 psi as > long as above written > parameters are meet. The proper pressures > will equate to the coolest > temps. You have to note that and remember > you are just setting the vent > output for the coolest temp not some > pre-considered ideal temp you hope > for. > About 30 % of all of our a/c fixes are > fixing the stuck on heaters. We > are in hot Louisiana, make sure your > heater is truly shut off by doing > a liquid test. > Do use the correct oil and add 2 oz if you > are not sure of how much is > in. You can always expel the working high > side into a cloth or jug for > 2 seconds to get an idea if you are oily > enough. A lot of spit > indicates fine but dry expelled gas needs > oil. > Keep cool, > Jeff > Jeff Cobb- I pad > W-225-343-7525 > C-225-907-4514 > Jeff Cobb Auto Works > 1316 S. Acadian Thruway > Baton Rouge, La. > 70806 > [8][11]http://www.LiveOakConcours.org > On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Pantdino > [10]<[9]pantdino(a)aol.com> > wrote: > Hi, Jeff, > What should the pressures be? > Thank you, > Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Cobb [11]<[10]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> > To: Pantdino [12]<[11]pantdino(a)aol.com>; > detomaso > [13]<[12]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Cc: Jeff Cobb [14]<[13]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> > Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 6:55 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in > AC that has been retrofitted > to 134a? > The sight glass is always used as a > reference point. 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Pretty > car, except for the > butt-ugly US bumpers. The front looks like it's > choking on a hockey puck, > the back is just a visual mess between the PANTERA tail > lights, and the > rubber transom of a bumper. It is the perfect color > though. > [24]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maserati-KHAMSIN-Base-Coupe-2-Door-/4011647 > 35310?for > cerrptr=true&hash=item5d6748134e:g:sxQAAOSwhOdXoe8V&item=401164735310 > Mike Thomas > Pres., Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > ------------------------------ > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:48:56 -0700 > From: Matt <nwpantera(a)gmail.com> > To: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up > and Ford GT > Message-ID: > > <CAAygGO-+eJ5mU5UFArxKv6uCGrR1CxxPbBoXpwoFdj9ZCy1otA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > I went to go inspect the car today. It was next door in the > detailing shop. > The sales guy, John Zuberek, could not gain access since > they were closed. > He reminded me of Tom Cruise in Risky Business, dealing > Lambos! > So he is going to email me when it's done and I can go back > for a look next > week. > He also said they have an interested buyer(don't they > all?),which may > explain the detailing. > They must have 20 Lamborghini's just that I could see and > some other > speciality cars too. > Millions of dollars worth of cars. I felt like I walked into > a bank vault. > I felt a little out of my comfort zone but we talked and he > filled me in on > the different Lambo models and car stuff in general.They > sell between 15-30 > cars a month and cater to Lambo buyers primarily. They claim > to be one of > the biggest Lambo dealers around. > He said the owner, Roy Cats, has a special place in his > heart for Panteras > though. > He indicated Roy had recently found another car he's > purchasing soon. Stay > tuned. > John also said they feel the market is surging for Panteras > right now. Duh! > But in the same breath he added "it's like the stock market > ,who knows?". > They did have a car I would take over all the rest though, a > 2006 Ford GT > in Gulf livery. > So I took a few pics for you. I haven't tried attaching pics > yet so please > let me know PM if they don't show up and I'll find another > way to post. > Let you know what I find out about the Pantera later this > week. > Matt > 3584 > [25]http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso- > pantera-luxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375 >

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Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera orideal what will fit in trunk
by Tomas Gunnarsson 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Just bring a roof rack! ;-) Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com] Sent: 9/8/2016 10:22:03 PM To: falconjackpam@sbcglobal.net;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera orideal what will fit in trunk Jack (I assume that's your name?) Your e-mail came through completely blank, but your subject line pretty well lays out your question. Before getting down to specifics, let me suggest something perhaps you hadn't considered. Let's say you're driving down the road and BOOM, you get a flat tire. You pull over, pull out your jack and your spare, install the spare, inflate it, lower the car back onto the road.... ...and then what? Your rare, exotic and expensive factory wheel and flat tire (or equally expensive and rare aftermarket wheel and flat tire) are sitting there on the shoulder of the road. What do you plan to do with them? It's much too big to fit into the car! You're not going to abandon them, so no matter what, you're going to need to call a tow truck. So given that's the case, why even bother carrying a spare? Having said that, if you are really wanting a spare (perhaps for concours), they are rare and expensive, coveted by the Mustang restoration guys. The spare used in the Pantera was the same one used on late 1960s and early 1970s performance Mustangs, including the '69 and '70 Shelby, Boss 302, Boss 429, 428 CJ cars with fold down rear seat and trunk-mounted batteries. There is one available for sale on Ebay right now for $995 plus $36.85 shipping (buy it now price), and another one in much better shape available for auction with a starting price of $395 (but the reserve is likely much higher). Personally I would never trust a 40-year-old collapsible spare tire in any circumstances, so I would view that as a display item only. Others have found that lightweight spacesaver tires from later-model Fords (Crown Vics etc.) will fit, and they can be had from junkyards for a fraction of the cost. But personally, I wouldn't bother. I would carry a can of fix-a-flat (note that some of those use PROPANE as the inflator, and are highly explosive; more than one Pantera has suffered extensive damage from an explosion, so read the label carefully, and keep it in the front trunk!), and a AAA card.. Mike Just bring a roof rack! ;-) Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com] Sent: 9/8/2016 10:22:03 PM To: falconjackpam@sbcglobal.net;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera orideal what will fit in trunk Jack (I assume that's your name?) Your e-mail came through completely blank, but your subject line pretty well lays out your question. Before getting down to specifics, let me suggest something perhaps you hadn't considered. Let's say you're driving down the road and BOOM, you get a flat tire. You pull over, pull out your jack and your spare, install the spare, inflate it, lower the car back onto the road.... ...and then what? Your rare, exotic and expensive factory wheel and flat tire (or equally expensive and rare aftermarket wheel and flat tire) are sitting there on the shoulder of the road. What do you plan to do with them? It's much too big to fit into the car! You're not going to abandon them, so no matter what, you're going to need to call a tow truck. So given that's the case, why even bother carrying a spare? Having said that, if you are really wanting a spare (perhaps for concours), they are rare and expensive, coveted by the Mustang restoration guys. The spare used in the Pantera was the same one used on late 1960s and early 1970s performance Mustangs, including the '69 and '70 Shelby, Boss 302, Boss 429, 428 CJ cars with fold down rear seat and trunk-mounted batteries. There is one available for sale on Ebay right now for $995 plus $36.85 shipping (buy it now price), and another one in much better shape available for auction with a starting price of $395 (but the reserve is likely much higher). Personally I would never trust a 40-year-old collapsible spare tire in any circumstances, so I would view that as a display item only. Others have found that lightweight spacesaver tires from later-model Fords (Crown Vics etc.) will fit, and they can be had from junkyards for a fraction of the cost. But personally, I wouldn't bother. I would carry a can of fix-a-flat (note that some of those use PROPANE as the inflator, and are highly explosive; more than one Pantera has suffered extensive damage from an explosion, so read the label carefully, and keep it in the front trunk!), and a AAA card.... Mike

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Rare Goose sighting
by Ed Mendez 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

At our AZ Chapter meeting tonight. Bill Mitchell's Chevy motor custom De Tomaso Mangusta one of a kind. He's on his way to Monterey for 50th anniversary of the Mangusta! Rare indeed. Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus At our AZ Chapter meeting tonight. Bill Mitchell's Chevy motor custom De Tomaso Mangusta one of a kind. He's on his way to Monterey for 50th anniversary of the Mangusta! Rare indeed. [cid:ECADD05B-9594-4F2C-8387-842987906A2E] [cid:1500F3E5-F8E2-42E8-944C-24BA2E43BA7C] [cid:3BC88490-FC7D-4755-997B-5E048C311129] Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus

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Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
by Charles Engles 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Dear Jack, At the Phoenix Rally a few years ago, one of the featured Tech Session speakers was Ron Davis. He discussed his radiators. He answered questions. I asked him about the pros/cons of aluminum versus brass. He said that as long as either radiator cooled your engine properly then it was fine. He said that as long as whatever radiator you're using is working, then *don't* change it for the theoretical benefits of the another. He conceded the frailties of aluminum and the robustness of brass radiators and did discuss their cooling potentials and limitations. I think that the systems by either of the PPC vendors are adequate. I have heard many good things about Ron Davis. I currently use brass radiators in both Panteras (for the last 20+ years) and they both cooled properly during the three consecutive heat storm summers we had with more long multiple days of 100+ temperatures. I agree with Mike Drew and Ron Davis, if what you're using is working, then don't change it. If it isn't working or you *really* want to change it, then "you pays your money and takes your choice". Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:23 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma Hey all - I need some good advice on radiators. I currently have a Fluidyne performance unit without a shroud. I’ve been told that a shroud is a necessity, which I understand. I’ve had it for about 12 years now - no leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by Dennis Quella(?) - don’t know the correct spelling or the company, but the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator and “be done with it”. I think it was a double-pass (I guess that’s good) - and I assume it’s shrouded. Another side of me asks - which is better - copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper units are heavier, but I am not concerned about extra weight. I am familiar with the company - Brassworks - they have been at it since the early 1900’s. Ken and Lela MacArthur had mentioned Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know the discussion will generate a fair amount of opinions - which I always welcome, since it will generate more questions too. Looking forward to hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there. jack #4348

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Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk
by Ed Mendez 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Check with Mike Mayberry cc'd in this email. mikedmayberry(a)hotmail.com Ed On Aug 09, 2016, at 08:10 AM, JACKIE RANS <falconjackpam(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/8/16, detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com <detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 8 To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:00 PM Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? (Asa Jay Laughton) 2. NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource (Mike Thomas) 3. 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Matt) 4. Re: Has anyone researched hood vent designs? (Dave Londry) (Charles Engles) 5. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Julian Kift) 6. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) 7. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:07:11 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Message-ID: <57A75CAF.8080000(a)asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I've not done A/C since my days in Automotive Technology school. But as I recall, the "goal" was to have 45F degrees at the vents. 38F at the vents sounds pretty darn good to me. :) Can you come and do mine? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 8/7/2016 3:25 AM, Jeff Cobb wrote: Jim, How cold do you want to be? You are almost as cold as Hillary Clinton's soul! Remove tools and hang meat. Jeff On Aug 6, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Pantdino [3]<[1]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: So at 83F ambient temp and 1500 rpm I see 7 psi on low side and 250 on high. I got one of those vent thermometers and it shows 35F at the vent. Sounds pretty good to me Or should I add a bit more 134? -----Original Message----- From: Pantdino [4]<[2]pantdino(a)aol.com> To: jeffcobb1 [5]<[3]jeffcobb1(a)me.com>; detomaso [6]<[4]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jeff, I hooked up the high pressure side gauge and get these numbers: before starting car, 100 psi both sides after system settles down, at 1500 rpm, low side 7 psi, high side 225 psi. As the car warmed the engine speed increased to maybe 1750 rpm and the high side was creeping up to 240-250 but the low was staying at 5-7. Ambient temp was 77F, so should be about 40-45 low side, 170 high side. According to the info sheet, this "Hi side too high, low side too low" situation would imply "blockage of expansion valve or orifice tube." Would that be from having the R12 valve in a system now using 134? I used my laser thermometer on the vents and got 20-40F, but I suspect that kind of thermometer is not accurate for this application because on my street car I got like 13F, which I think cannot be right. Anyway, it seems to me if I add more 134 I run the risk of blowing the high side hose at 3000 rpm and 85F temp. Does that sound right? I do have 15 12 oz cans of old school R12 I bought way back when, so I could switch to R12, but I would have to take the car to have the 134 recycled, replace the dryer, put the system under vacuum, etc so would like not to. Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: JEFFREY COBB [7]<[5]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [8]<[6]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [9]<[7]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2016 3:37 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jim, All cars use different pressures and for examples this week we did a/c work on a 124 Fiat, many Benz-Bmws-Toyotas, a 71 e-type, Ford +Chevy trucks, a Cobra kit car and a Mangusta. But basic pressures at 1,500 rpm with cooling fans on and on high, with both windows open, rear and front hatch closed, high fan and not on recirc should be about 35 + - low side and 250 + - high. Seems like a 7:1 ratio works the best. Converted systems do need different numbers but never too much of a change. So your low range should vary from 20 to 38 psi and the high 210 to 260 psi as long as above written parameters are meet. The proper pressures will equate to the coolest temps. You have to note that and remember you are just setting the vent output for the coolest temp not some pre-considered ideal temp you hope for. About 30 % of all of our a/c fixes are fixing the stuck on heaters. We are in hot Louisiana, make sure your heater is truly shut off by doing a liquid test. Do use the correct oil and add 2 oz if you are not sure of how much is in. You can always expel the working high side into a cloth or jug for 2 seconds to get an idea if you are oily enough. A lot of spit indicates fine but dry expelled gas needs oil. Keep cool, Jeff Jeff Cobb- I pad W-225-343-7525 C-225-907-4514 Jeff Cobb Auto Works 1316 S. Acadian Thruway Baton Rouge, La. 70806 [8]http://www.LiveOakConcours.org On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Pantdino [10]<[9]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: Hi, Jeff, What should the pressures be? Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cobb [11]<[10]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [12]<[11]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [13]<[12]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Cc: Jeff Cobb [14]<[13]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? The sight glass is always used as a reference point. You must go by the dual gauges. Never by the low side only. Jeff Cobb On Aug 4, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso [15]<[14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > After switching the AC system to 134a, do you use the sight glass in > the dryer or go by the pressure at the low pressure port like with > modern cars? > > Sorry, but I don't recall what I learned several years ago when I > switched the system over. > > Jim Oddie > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [[16]15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [16][17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Very original, but definitely not flawless. Pretty car, except for the butt-ugly US bumpers. The front looks like it's choking on a hockey puck, the back is just a visual mess between the PANTERA tail lights, and the rubber transom of a bumper. It is the perfect color though. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maserati-KHAMSIN-Base-Coupe-2-Door-/401164735310?for cerrptr=true&hash=item5d6748134e:g:sxQAAOSwhOdXoe8V&item=401164735310 Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:48:56 -0700 From: Matt <nwpantera(a)gmail.com> To: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT Message-ID: <CAAygGO-+eJ5mU5UFArxKv6uCGrR1CxxPbBoXpwoFdj9ZCy1otA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I went to go inspect the car today. It was next door in the detailing shop. The sales guy, John Zuberek, could not gain access since they were closed. He reminded me of Tom Cruise in Risky Business, dealing Lambos! So he is going to email me when it's done and I can go back for a look next week. He also said they have an interested buyer(don't they all?),which may explain the detailing. They must have 20 Lamborghini's just that I could see and some other speciality cars too. Millions of dollars worth of cars. I felt like I walked into a bank vault. I felt a little out of my comfort zone but we talked and he filled me in on the different Lambo models and car stuff in general.They sell between 15-30 cars a month and cater to Lambo buyers primarily. They claim to be one of the biggest Lambo dealers around. He said the owner, Roy Cats, has a special place in his heart for Panteras though. He indicated Roy had recently found another car he's purchasing soon. Stay tuned. John also said they feel the market is surging for Panteras right now. Duh! But in the same breath he added "it's like the stock market ,who knows?". They did have a car I would take over all the rest though, a 2006 Ford GT in Gulf livery. So I took a few pics for you. I haven't tried attaching pics yet so please let me know PM if they don't show up and I'll find another way to post. Let you know what I find out about the Pantera later this week. Matt 3584 http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso- pantera-luxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375 Check with Mike Mayberry cc'd in this email. [1]mikedmayberry(a)hotmail.com Ed On Aug 09, 2016, at 08:10 AM, JACKIE RANS <falconjackpam(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/8/16, [2]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com <detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 8 To: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:00 PM Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [6]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [7]detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? (Asa Jay Laughton) 2. NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource (Mike Thomas) 3. 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Matt) 4. Re: Has anyone researched hood vent designs? (Dave Londry) (Charles Engles) 5. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Julian Kift) 6. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) 7. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:07:11 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> To: [8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Message-ID: <57A75CAF.8080000(a)asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I've not done A/C since my days in Automotive Technology school. But as I recall, the "goal" was to have 45F degrees at the vents. 38F at the vents sounds pretty darn good to me. :) Can you come and do mine? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1][9]http://w7tsc.org [2][10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 8/7/2016 3:25 AM, Jeff Cobb wrote: Jim, How cold do you want to be? You are almost as cold as Hillary Clinton's soul! Remove tools and hang meat. Jeff On Aug 6, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Pantdino [3]<[1]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: So at 83F ambient temp and 1500 rpm I see 7 psi on low side and 250 on high. I got one of those vent thermometers and it shows 35F at the vent. Sounds pretty good to me Or should I add a bit more 134? -----Original Message----- From: Pantdino [4]<[2]pantdino(a)aol.com> To: jeffcobb1 [5]<[3]jeffcobb1(a)me.com>; detomaso [6]<[4]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jeff, I hooked up the high pressure side gauge and get these numbers: before starting car, 100 psi both sides after system settles down, at 1500 rpm, low side 7 psi, high side 225 psi. As the car warmed the engine speed increased to maybe 1750 rpm and the high side was creeping up to 240-250 but the low was staying at 5-7. Ambient temp was 77F, so should be about 40-45 low side, 170 high side. According to the info sheet, this "Hi side too high, low side too low" situation would imply "blockage of expansion valve or orifice tube." Would that be from having the R12 valve in a system now using 134? I used my laser thermometer on the vents and got 20-40F, but I suspect that kind of thermometer is not accurate for this application because on my street car I got like 13F, which I think cannot be right. Anyway, it seems to me if I add more 134 I run the risk of blowing the high side hose at 3000 rpm and 85F temp. Does that sound right? I do have 15 12 oz cans of old school R12 I bought way back when, so I could switch to R12, but I would have to take the car to have the 134 recycled, replace the dryer, put the system under vacuum, etc so would like not to. Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: JEFFREY COBB [7]<[5]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [8]<[6]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [9]<[7]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2016 3:37 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jim, All cars use different pressures and for examples this week we did a/c work on a 124 Fiat, many Benz-Bmws-Toyotas, a 71 e-type, Ford +Chevy trucks, a Cobra kit car and a Mangusta. But basic pressures at 1,500 rpm with cooling fans on and on high, with both windows open, rear and front hatch closed, high fan and not on recirc should be about 35 + - low side and 250 + - high. Seems like a 7:1 ratio works the best. Converted systems do need different numbers but never too much of a change. So your low range should vary from 20 to 38 psi and the high 210 to 260 psi as long as above written parameters are meet. The proper pressures will equate to the coolest temps. You have to note that and remember you are just setting the vent output for the coolest temp not some pre-considered ideal temp you hope for. About 30 % of all of our a/c fixes are fixing the stuck on heaters. We are in hot Louisiana, make sure your heater is truly shut off by doing a liquid test. Do use the correct oil and add 2 oz if you are not sure of how much is in. You can always expel the working high side into a cloth or jug for 2 seconds to get an idea if you are oily enough. A lot of spit indicates fine but dry expelled gas needs oil. Keep cool, Jeff Jeff Cobb- I pad W-225-343-7525 C-225-907-4514 Jeff Cobb Auto Works 1316 S. Acadian Thruway Baton Rouge, La. 70806 [8][11]http://www.LiveOakConcours.org On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Pantdino [10]<[9]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: Hi, Jeff, What should the pressures be? Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cobb [11]<[10]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [12]<[11]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [13]<[12]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Cc: Jeff Cobb [14]<[13]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? The sight glass is always used as a reference point. You must go by the dual gauges. Never by the low side only. Jeff Cobb On Aug 4, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso [15]<[14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > After switching the AC system to 134a, do you use the sight glass in > the dryer or go by the pressure at the low pressure port like with > modern cars? > > Sorry, but I don't recall what I learned several years ago when I > switched the system over. > > Jim Oddie > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [[16]15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [16][17][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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The front looks like it's choking on a hockey puck, the back is just a visual mess between the PANTERA tail lights, and the rubber transom of a bumper. It is the perfect color though. [24]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maserati-KHAMSIN-Base-Coupe-2-Door-/4011647 35310?for cerrptr=true&hash=item5d6748134e:g:sxQAAOSwhOdXoe8V&item=401164735310 Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:48:56 -0700 From: Matt <nwpantera(a)gmail.com> To: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT Message-ID: <CAAygGO-+eJ5mU5UFArxKv6uCGrR1CxxPbBoXpwoFdj9ZCy1otA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I went to go inspect the car today. It was next door in the detailing shop. The sales guy, John Zuberek, could not gain access since they were closed. He reminded me of Tom Cruise in Risky Business, dealing Lambos! So he is going to email me when it's done and I can go back for a look next week. He also said they have an interested buyer(don't they all?),which may explain the detailing. They must have 20 Lamborghini's just that I could see and some other speciality cars too. Millions of dollars worth of cars. I felt like I walked into a bank vault. I felt a little out of my comfort zone but we talked and he filled me in on the different Lambo models and car stuff in general.They sell between 15-30 cars a month and cater to Lambo buyers primarily. They claim to be one of the biggest Lambo dealers around. He said the owner, Roy Cats, has a special place in his heart for Panteras though. He indicated Roy had recently found another car he's purchasing soon. Stay tuned. John also said they feel the market is surging for Panteras right now. Duh! But in the same breath he added "it's like the stock market ,who knows?". They did have a car I would take over all the rest though, a 2006 Ford GT in Gulf livery. So I took a few pics for you. I haven't tried attaching pics yet so please let me know PM if they don't show up and I'll find another way to post. Let you know what I find out about the Pantera later this week. Matt 3584 [25]http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso- pantera-luxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375

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Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: no more cams
by bill gaino 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

Next thing you know they dont have valves any more! http://www.coatesengine.com/ Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -----Original Message----- >From: Larry <Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com> >Sent: Aug 9, 2016 12:58 PM >To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: no more cams > > Chinese carmaker [1]Qoros has joined [2]Koenigsegg in demonstrating > a [3]camless engine. Rather than using a traditional camshaft to > control an engine's valves, the QamFree motor uses > electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators to provide precise control over > each valve for more power and a 12 to 17 percent improvement in fuel > economy. > > . > > . > > . > > . [4]FreeValve's clever actuators > > In most engines the camshaft's rotating lobes push rockers that open > the valves and allow valve springs to shut them. Unfortunately, this > process involves a stage where the valves are partially open or shut, > which means the system isn't always operating at ideal efficiency. > > Rather than continuing to use this technology, which Koenigsegg likens > to "playing a piano with a both hands tied to the opposite ends of a > broomstick," the QamFree engine allows far greater control over the > engine's intake and exhaust valves thanks to > electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators. > > [5][cid:image002.jpg@01D1F23D.B7EFD4D0] > > The engine has been developed in conjunction with FreeValve AB, one of > Koenigsegg's sister companies. According to FreeValve, the technology > reduces fuel consumption by 12 to 17 percent when compared to a modern, > direct injection engine with variable cams. > > Qoros also says the QamFree engine allows the company to eke more power > from a more compact package, which should mean punchy performance from > engines that meet the ever-tightening Euro and Beijing emissions > standards. > > Unfortunately, there's no mention of a release or production date for > the engine, although Qoros does loosely suggest we might see it in > future models. Currently, the engine remains a concept. > > Larry (cams are so yesterday) - Cleveland > >References > > 1. http://newatlas.com/qoros-2-plug-in-hybrid-suv/37162/ > 2. http://newatlas.com/koenigsegg-regera-geneva/36376/ > 3. http://newatlas.com/camless-combustion-engine-cargine-engineering/12200/ > 4. http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true#… > 5. http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true#…

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