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Dash Vents
by Fred Sweeney 06 Aug '16

06 Aug '16

If you have a dash vent that is broken or missing a slat, I found out that c.1970 Lincoln Continentals use the same vents. I bought one for my Pre-L '72 and it matched perfect. Go online and search for specialists in these LC's. They might have your vent.

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NPC: Ferrari
by Emiliano Ballejos 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

Does anyone on the list own a Ferrari 355? I just bought one and have some questions. Regards, Emiliano 5910L 7205gts Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Ferrari
by Al Chelini 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

How can I help? If you want, PM me at: pantera(a)cox.net Al Chelini 3915 On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Emiliano Ballejos <mghibli7(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone on the list own a Ferrari 355? > > I just bought one and have some questions. > > Regards, > Emiliano > > 5910L > 7205gts > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > How can I help? If you want, PM me at: [1]pantera(a)cox.net Al Chelini 3915 On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Emiliano Ballejos <[2]mghibli7(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Does anyone on the list own a Ferrari 355? I just bought one and have someA questions. Regards, Emiliano 5910L 7205gts Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:pantera@cox.net 2. mailto:mghibli7@hotmail.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

In a message dated 8/2/16 7 55 50, julian_kift(a)hotmail.com writes: > Hood vents are a great way to provide additional cooling in traffic, but > perhaps limited value at high speed when the front of the hood becomes a > high pressure area. Now you have opposing forces at play and at speed 'x' > the pressure is likely enough to overcome that produced by the radiator fans > (I imagine that 'x' would not be excessively high, perhaps even highway > cruising speed). So outside air now reverse enters the hood vents or at a > minimum restricts fan flow resulting in air that is forced under the car i.e. > back to the original Ford design concept. A Gurney lip on the frontal edge > of hood vents would help create a low pressure area, but I still believe > the air from the radiators will ultimately be forced under the car at some > speed now x+y. > >>>I don't know about high triple-digit speeds, but the hood is a low-pressure area at speeds typically seen on the road (even low triple-digit speeds). You can test this for yourself by simply unlatching the hood and going for a drive. At freeway speeds, it will 'float' an inch or two above the latch, as vacuum from above (probably aided by pressure from below) lifts it slightly. I don't know what, if any effect might be realized by introducing hood vents with all other things being equal. Providing a path for air to exit through the hood rather than pushing up on the underside of it might be a thing? (Geoff Peters had a very thin carbon fiber hood, with vents, on his GT5, and he found that at high speeds, it would deform so much by lifting in the center, that the pin would move forward and pop out the front side of the latch and then the hood would fly open and hover a few inches above the latch!) An air dam, particular a proper Gr4/GT5 air dam, provides meaningful downforce and probably helps prevent air from underneath from pressing up on the underside of the hood, as others have mentioned.... If you look at the GT40, the early cars came with two deep triangular hood vents, while the later ones came with a single very large vent, which was undoubtedly far more effective. Having said all of that, I've run my car at 130+ mph on the track with a simple, small GTS mini air dam and no hood vents, and the car ran at 180 degrees with not a bit of front-end lift. I wouldn't assert that the front end would be similarly planted at 200 mph, but then again, I have no intention of going anywhere near 200 mph so it's completely academic.... Mike In a message dated 8/2/16 7 55 50, julian_kift(a)hotmail.com writes: Hood vents are a great way to provide additional cooling in traffic, but perhaps limited value at high speed when the front of the hood becomes a high pressure area. Now you have opposing forces at play and at speed 'x' the pressure is likely enough to overcome that produced by the radiator fans (I imagine that 'x' would not be excessively high, perhaps even highway cruising speed). So outside air now reverse enters the hood vents or at a minimum restricts fan flow resulting in air that is forced under the car i.e. back to the original Ford design concept. A Gurney lip on the frontal edge of hood vents would help create a low pressure area, but I still believe the air from the radiators will ultimately be forced under the car at some speed now x+y. >>>I don't know about high triple-digit speeds, but the hood is a low-pressure area at speeds typically seen on the road (even low triple-digit speeds). You can test this for yourself by simply unlatching the hood and going for a drive. At freeway speeds, it will 'float' an inch or two above the latch, as vacuum from above (probably aided by pressure from below) lifts it slightly. I don't know what, if any effect might be realized by introducing hood vents with all other things being equal. Providing a path for air to exit through the hood rather than pushing up on the underside of it might be a thing? (Geoff Peters had a very thin carbon fiber hood, with vents, on his GT5, and he found that at high speeds, it would deform so much by lifting in the center, that the pin would move forward and pop out the front side of the latch and then the hood would fly open and hover a few inches above the latch!) An air dam, particular a proper Gr4/GT5 air dam, provides meaningful downforce and probably helps prevent air from underneath from pressing up on the underside of the hood, as others have mentioned.... If you look at the GT40, the early cars came with two deep triangular hood vents, while the later ones came with a single very large vent, which was undoubtedly far more effective. Having said all of that, I've run my car at 130+ mph on the track with a simple, small GTS mini air dam and no hood vents, and the car ran at 180 degrees with not a bit of front-end lift. I wouldn't assert that the front end would be similarly planted at 200 mph, but then again, I have no intention of going anywhere near 200 mph so it's completely academic.... Mike

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Headlights and rust pockets
by Stephen 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

I am in the process of getting ready for the Pantera NW tour this fall up into Canada, taking care of little things to make the car that much nicer - at least in my eyes: Installing Kirk Evans quad headlight kit, Installing the new back-window for the engine bay and an engine-bay cooling fan, and, the stretch goal: Installing remote door locks and security system. The first thing on the list is the headlights. I can remember the first time I drove 5332 in the dark. It was just plain scary - as in I couldn't read the gauges, and the headlights were a joke. Funny, as part of installing Kirk's lights - which I heartily endorse - I think I see one of the reasons the headlights were so ineffective. I'll explain below. None the less, to my eye, the car looks fantastic with the lower opening for the headlight buckets. Since I had the headlight buckets out I figured it would be a good time to inspect the inside of the front of the fenders. And, low and behold, found a cavity that was full of sand and gravel - and clearly had been wet in the past. The first three photo's in this gallery show where the cavity is, and give some idea of how much crud had accumulated. http://www.snclocks.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/Technical-Bits/ After scraping and vacuuming, I sealed the area with undercoating. Note, if you want more detail for any of the pictures - click on the larger picture - it will then go full-screen. To return to the gallery - click on the "X" in the upper right corner, or just hit "esc". Once I was finished with the head-light bucket mods and had the new lights fitted I realized it was a good time to replace the plastic gear in the headlight lifting mechanism. So, out comes the motor and gear assembly. Somewhere I read you can wiggle it out. Yup, lots of wiggling. Lots. But, take your time - it will come out - even with the great radiator/fans I got from Pantera Performance, and even with a pet-cock on the radiator lower drain. First thing I learned was at least a part of why the headlights were such poor performers. The rise and fall of the headlights is limited by a couple of switches. The switches are activated by adjustable stops - with rubber pads on the end of the adjustable stops. The rubber pad for the lower stop apparently pushes pretty much straight into the arm on the switch - it was in good shape. The rubber pad for the upper stop - well, it apparently slides across the arm on the switch - and wears pretty significantly. Check out the next picture in the gallery. With the worn rubber end the mechanism had to travel farther to reach the switch - resulting in the headlights shooting up into the sky. Since I had it out, next I took apart the motor. Hmmm - looks like the bearing on the output side of the motor has been spinning in the housing - see next photo. I drilled the rivets, flattened the fingers that hold the bearing in place, cleaned everything up, reversed the bearing, and riveted it back in place. And wow - one of the permanent magnets had come loose and moved over beside the other magnet. The next photo shows the loose magnet being clamped in place while the JB-Weld cures. Motor is now back together and spins right nice. Bit more inspection found that the post that the manual-raising gear turns on was also loose and spinning in its housing - see next photo. Staking the back of the post with a punch solved that problem. Hopefully tomorrow I will get the mechanism back together and be able to get it back in the car. As part of Kirk's headlight kit he provides a mechanical stop for the raising mechanism to minimize headlight movement when the lights are up. Installing the stop pretty much requires that the raising mechanism be out of the way. Another good reason to pull the mechanism and go through it. Hopefully, with the photos, this all makes sense. May have to clean this up and send it in for publication - once the dust settles from the Board reorganization. Stephen Nelson 5332

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Help getting out a California Pantera
by Rob Dumoulin 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

Guys, I have been asked if I knew of anybody that can provide information on #1459 for sale out of California. Just 29 cars newer than mine. The car was referred through the Registry but there seems to be little information on it. Anyone seen it first hand and knows it's history? Rob (trying to find old cats new homes) D. Guys,A I have been asked if I knew of anybody that can provide information on #1459 for sale out of California. Just 29 cars newer than mine. The car was referred through the Registry but there seems to be little information on it. Anyone seen it first hand and knows it's history? Rob (trying to find old cats new homes) D.

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Motorcycle Automatics
by Fred 04 Aug '16

04 Aug '16

A friend bought one. I rode with him. At 45MPH he was gritting his teeth. At the next light he forgot to put down his foot and fell over in a ditch. He eventually decided to ride to Des Moines, IA. He was on an off ramp and the bike slid out from under him. He walked to the closest convenience store, found a kid to ride the bike back to Kansas City, paid the kid, took him to the KC airport and flew the kid home. Don't think he rode the Hondamatic after that. True story.

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Re: [DeTomaso] 73 Pantera L dash/floppy a/c vents
by larry＠ohiotimecorp.com 04 Aug '16

04 Aug '16

I have used small "C" clips to go over the pins that the vents rotate on. This adds a bit of pressure on the sides to hold them in place. If you have them all apart small "O" rings on the pins work well too. Larry - Cleveland On Wed Aug 3 15:12 , Mike Drew via DeTomaso sent: >I have a similar issue in one of my Sciroccos. I decided I liked the vents at a certain angle, but they drooped towards the floor. I used a tiny dab of black RTV silicone to semi-permanently position them. It's all but invisible and quite effective. > >Mike > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Aug 3, 2016, at 12:02, audionut(a)hushmail.com wrote: > >> Mike Drew, once again, amazes everyone with his unfathomable quantity >> of Pantera knowledge....! >> >> Speaking of dashes-- >> >> The a/c vents on #5909 don't stay where I point them for very long. >> Side-to-side works okay, up and down, not. >> >> >> >> Just wondering if anyone has come up with a better solution than I >> have, which has been to wedge in small pieces of the business card of a >> local detailer tossed into my car at the last car event we attended. >> Sent using Hushmail >> On August 3, 2016 at 1:18 AM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso" >> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> In a message dated 8/2/16 21 59 40, paso750(a)gmail.com writes: >> GoNancy's '73 is number 5250. >> The date on the door jamb is 4/73 and it has the "right" dash: a >> 2-pod. Its >> sister (or brother) car #5249 is the same, and red, too. >> Nancy says that the car was lost for a time in the factory however >> (via the >> VIN code), and was only finished in April. >> It could be that the same thing happened to many of the 2-pod cars >> in '73. >>>>> Well, the car wasn't alosta. It was started in January and >> completed >> in April '73, as were all the other cars built around the same time. >> By >> way of comparison, my car was started and completed in July '72 when >> things >> were really hopping. By 1974, it was taking upwards of six months to >> complete a Pantera. >> Attached is a screen grab of the Ford parts book, which shows three >> different dashboards. This list is quite incomplete however, as off >> the top of my >> head, I can think of at least ten (!) different dash configurations >> used. >> 1: Two-pod, rotary wiper/washer switch, two A/C, three defroster >> slots, >> (used on the Euro pushbutton cars, and this is also how the 1971 >> cars came >> off the boat in the USA). >> 2: Two-pod, rotary wiper/washer switch, three A/C, three defroster >> slots, >> (a third A/C vent was added as part of the big recall performed by >> Stroppe >> etc., and third A/C vents were apparently also added in at the >> production >> facility for awhile). >> 3: Two-pod, rotary wiper/washer switch, two A/C, two defroster slots >> (without hold-down rib between the defroster slots) >> 4: Two-pod, rotary wiper/washer switch, two A/C, two defroster slots >> (now >> with hold-down rib between the defroster slots) >> 5: Two-pod, separate rocker wiper/washer switches, two A/C, two >> defroster >> slots (with hold-down rib between the defroster slots) >> 6: Two-pod, separate rocker wiper/washer switches, two A/C, two >> defroster >> slots (with hold-down rib between the defroster slots), with >> upholstered >> wooden block with green dash light in between the A/C registers >> 7: Molded single-pod (used on the '73 and '74 USA and Euro L-models) >> 8: Molded single-pod, with clock above glovebox (USA GTS only) >> 9: Fiberglass single pod, upholstered either in vinyl or alcantara, >> with >> clock above glovebox (Euro GTS and early GT5) >> 10: Fiberglass single pod, upholstered in leather, with >> Maserati-style >> A/C vents (later GT5 and GT5-S) >> Besides being incomplete, the Ford parts book is also demonstrably >> wrong >> when it lays out the VINS that received the single-pod dash. Thanks >> to the >> registry, it's possible to see many, many cars that have not been >> modified, >> and don't fit the numbering convention laid out in the parts book. >> FWIWa|. >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Removal of Michael Shortt as President of POCA
by Ed Mendez 04 Aug '16

04 Aug '16

All, Just an update, As of July, 28th, 2016 7pm PST Michael Shortt in no longer in the position of President of POCA. The Board of Directors had a meeting to decide what steps needed to be taken to address the issues based on the behavior and actions of Mr. Shortt, and the treatment of members and board members. As per the bylaws; we gave a a 5 day notice to all BOD members prior to this meeting, we gave out an agenda, and the meeting was set as a regular BOD meeting. Michael Shortt did not attend nor did Mike Burnett. John Buckman resigned from the board earlier in the day due to medical illness. Present at the meeting were: Bob Reid - Treasurer Joe Stockett - Secretary Judy McCartney - Membership Ed Mendez - PR This constituted a quorum as per the bylaws as we had a majority 4 out of 6 remaining members. We voted unanimously for the removal of Michael Shortt as President. We drafted a letter and sent the notice below via certified mail. Another meeting is set to decide the next steps. If you receive any email from Mr. Shortt, he is sending it as a regular member and not as the President of POCA. We appreciate your patience in this matter. Kind Regards, Ed Mendez POCA PR Director PANTERA OWNERS CLUB OF AMERICA P O Box 3574 San Dimas, CA 91773 July 28, 2016 Michael L Shortt 1711 Dean Forest Road Savannah, GA 31408 Email: michaelsavga(a)gmail.com Phone: 912-232-9390 Re: Removal from office action Dear Michael: The four (4) Club directors listed below, who constitute a majority of our six (6) current directors, have voted to bring an action against you, under Article IV Section 7 of the Pantera Owners Club of America By-Laws, for engaging in conduct that is adverse to the best interests of POCA and its membership with rude, vulgar, offensive, threatening and condescending communications with POCA members and Board members. Until the issue can be resolved, please be on notice that as of today (July 28, 2016), you may no longer operate as the President of the Pantera Owners Club of America. You have thirty days from the date of this notice to respond in writing. Respectfully submitted, Joe Stockett, Secretary Bob Reid, Treasurer Ed Mendez, Advertising/Public Relations Director Judy McCartney, Membership Director All, Just an update, As of July, 28th, 2016 7pm PST Michael Shortt in no longer in the position of President of POCA. The Board of Directors had a meeting to decide what steps needed to be taken to address the issues based on the behavior and actions of Mr. Shortt, and the treatment of members and board members. As per the bylaws; we gave a a 5 day notice to all BOD members prior to this meeting, we gave out an agenda, and the meeting was set as a regular BOD meeting. Michael Shortt did not attend nor did Mike Burnett. John Buckman resigned from the board earlier in the day due to medical illness. Present at the meeting were: Bob Reid - Treasurer Joe Stockett - Secretary Judy McCartney - Membership Ed Mendez - PR This constituted a quorum as per the bylaws as we had a majority 4 out of 6 remaining members. We voted unanimously for the removal of Michael Shortt as President. We drafted a letter and sent the notice below via certified mail. Another meeting is set to decide the next steps. If you receive any email from Mr. Shortt, he is sending it as a regular member and not as the President of POCA. We appreciate your patience in this matter. Kind Regards, Ed Mendez POCA PR Director PANTERA OWNERS CLUB OF AMERICA P O Box 3574 San Dimas, CA 91773 July 28, 2016 Michael L Shortt 1711 Dean Forest Road Savannah, GA 31408 Email: [1]michaelsavga(a)gmail.com Phone: 912-232-9390 Re: Removal from office action Dear Michael: The four (4) Club directors listed below, who constitute a majority of our six (6) current directors, have voted to bring an action against you, under Article IV Section 7 of the Pantera Owners Club of America By-Laws, for engaging in conduct that is adverse to the best interests of POCA and its membership with rude, vulgar, offensive, threatening and condescending communications with POCA members and Board members. Until the issue can be resolved, please be on notice that as of today (July 28, 2016), you may no longer operate as the President of the Pantera Owners Club of America. You have thirty days from the date of this notice to respond in writing. Respectfully submitted, Joe Stockett, Secretary Bob Reid, Treasurer Ed Mendez, Advertising/Public Relations Director Judy McCartney, Membership Director References 1. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com

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Fw: Help getting out a California Pantera
by James coyne 04 Aug '16

04 Aug '16

________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 9:11 PM To: Rob Dumoulin; Mike Drew Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help getting out a California Pantera Is this a great club or what ! ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 5:50 PM To: Rob Dumoulin Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help getting out a California Pantera Rob, I'm intimately familiar with the car--it was the second Pantera I ever rode in, back in 1989. It changed hands later, was the subject of a club tech session, I rebuilt the steering rack. The owner asked me to go adjust the shift linkage and I might be doing it tomorrow. Great car! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Aug 3, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: > > Guys,A I have been asked if I knew of anybody that can provide > information on #1459 for sale out of California. Just 29 cars newer > than mine. The car was referred through the Registry but there seems to > be little information on it. Anyone seen it first hand and knows it's > history? > > Rob (trying to find old cats new homes) D. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. __________________________________________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 9:11 PM To: Rob Dumoulin; Mike Drew Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help getting out a California Pantera Is this a great club or what ! __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 5:50 PM To: Rob Dumoulin Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help getting out a California Pantera Rob, I'm intimately familiar with the car--it was the second Pantera I ever rode in, back in 1989. It changed hands later, was the subject of a club tech session, I rebuilt the steering rack. The owner asked me to go adjust the shift linkage and I might be doing it tomorrow. Great car! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Aug 3, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: > > Guys,A I have been asked if I knew of anybody that can provide > information on #1459 for sale out of California. Just 29 cars newer > than mine. The car was referred through the Registry but there seems to > be little information on it. Anyone seen it first hand and knows it's > history? > > Rob (trying to find old cats new homes) D. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso [2]DeTomaso Info Page server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. 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