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Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk
by marshall smith 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

I have a stock space-saver spare mounted on a Campy wheel. Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/9/16, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk To: "JACKIE RANS" <falconjackpam(a)sbcglobal.net> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, mikedmayberry(a)hotmail.com Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 1:13 PM Check with Mike Mayberry cc'd in this email. [1]mikedmayberry(a)hotmail.com Ed On Aug 09, 2016, at 08:10 AM, JACKIE RANS <falconjackpam(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/8/16, [2]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com <detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 8 To: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:00 PM Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [6]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [7]detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? (Asa Jay Laughton) 2. NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource (Mike Thomas) 3. 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Matt) 4. Re: Has anyone researched hood vent designs? (Dave Londry) (Charles Engles) 5. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Julian Kift) 6. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) 7. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:07:11 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> To: [8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Message-ID: <57A75CAF.8080000(a)asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I've not done A/C since my days in Automotive Technology school. But as I recall, the "goal" was to have 45F degrees at the vents. 38F at the vents sounds pretty darn good to me. :) Can you come and do mine? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1][9]http://w7tsc.org [2][10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 8/7/2016 3:25 AM, Jeff Cobb wrote: Jim, How cold do you want to be? You are almost as cold as Hillary Clinton's soul! Remove tools and hang meat. Jeff On Aug 6, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Pantdino [3]<[1]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: So at 83F ambient temp and 1500 rpm I see 7 psi on low side and 250 on high. I got one of those vent thermometers and it shows 35F at the vent. Sounds pretty good to me Or should I add a bit more 134? -----Original Message----- From: Pantdino [4]<[2]pantdino(a)aol.com> To: jeffcobb1 [5]<[3]jeffcobb1(a)me.com>; detomaso [6]<[4]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jeff, I hooked up the high pressure side gauge and get these numbers: before starting car, 100 psi both sides after system settles down, at 1500 rpm, low side 7 psi, high side 225 psi. As the car warmed the engine speed increased to maybe 1750 rpm and the high side was creeping up to 240-250 but the low was staying at 5-7. Ambient temp was 77F, so should be about 40-45 low side, 170 high side. According to the info sheet, this "Hi side too high, low side too low" situation would imply "blockage of expansion valve or orifice tube." Would that be from having the R12 valve in a system now using 134? I used my laser thermometer on the vents and got 20-40F, but I suspect that kind of thermometer is not accurate for this application because on my street car I got like 13F, which I think cannot be right. Anyway, it seems to me if I add more 134 I run the risk of blowing the high side hose at 3000 rpm and 85F temp. Does that sound right? I do have 15 12 oz cans of old school R12 I bought way back when, so I could switch to R12, but I would have to take the car to have the 134 recycled, replace the dryer, put the system under vacuum, etc so would like not to. Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: JEFFREY COBB [7]<[5]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [8]<[6]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [9]<[7]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2016 3:37 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jim, All cars use different pressures and for examples this week we did a/c work on a 124 Fiat, many Benz-Bmws-Toyotas, a 71 e-type, Ford +Chevy trucks, a Cobra kit car and a Mangusta. But basic pressures at 1,500 rpm with cooling fans on and on high, with both windows open, rear and front hatch closed, high fan and not on recirc should be about 35 + - low side and 250 + - high. Seems like a 7:1 ratio works the best. Converted systems do need different numbers but never too much of a change. So your low range should vary from 20 to 38 psi and the high 210 to 260 psi as long as above written parameters are meet. The proper pressures will equate to the coolest temps. You have to note that and remember you are just setting the vent output for the coolest temp not some pre-considered ideal temp you hope for. About 30 % of all of our a/c fixes are fixing the stuck on heaters. We are in hot Louisiana, make sure your heater is truly shut off by doing a liquid test. Do use the correct oil and add 2 oz if you are not sure of how much is in. You can always expel the working high side into a cloth or jug for 2 seconds to get an idea if you are oily enough. A lot of spit indicates fine but dry expelled gas needs oil. Keep cool, Jeff Jeff Cobb- I pad W-225-343-7525 C-225-907-4514 Jeff Cobb Auto Works 1316 S. Acadian Thruway Baton Rouge, La. 70806 [8][11]http://www.LiveOakConcours.org On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Pantdino [10]<[9]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: Hi, Jeff, What should the pressures be? Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cobb [11]<[10]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [12]<[11]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [13]<[12]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Cc: Jeff Cobb [14]<[13]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? The sight glass is always used as a reference point. You must go by the dual gauges. Never by the low side only. Jeff Cobb On Aug 4, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso [15]<[14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > After switching the AC system to 134a, do you use the sight glass in > the dryer or go by the pressure at the low pressure port like with > modern cars? > > Sorry, but I don't recall what I learned several years ago when I > switched the system over. > > Jim Oddie > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [[16]15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [16][17][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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[20]http://www.liveoakconcours.org/ 26. mailto:pantdino@aol.com 27. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com 28. mailto:pantdino@aol.com 29. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 30. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com 31. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 32. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 33. [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 34. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 35. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 36. [23]http://www.avg.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:06:54 -0700 From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> To: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource Message-ID: <05a101d1f0d6$7b679ab0$7236d010$(a)comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A very original Maserati Khamsin Ebay listing sent out by Masertisource. Very original, but definitely not flawless. Pretty car, except for the butt-ugly US bumpers. The front looks like it's choking on a hockey puck, the back is just a visual mess between the PANTERA tail lights, and the rubber transom of a bumper. It is the perfect color though. [24]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maserati-KHAMSIN-Base-Coupe-2-Door-/4011647 35310?for cerrptr=true&hash=item5d6748134e:g:sxQAAOSwhOdXoe8V&item=401164735310 Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:48:56 -0700 From: Matt <nwpantera(a)gmail.com> To: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT Message-ID: <CAAygGO-+eJ5mU5UFArxKv6uCGrR1CxxPbBoXpwoFdj9ZCy1otA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I went to go inspect the car today. It was next door in the detailing shop. The sales guy, John Zuberek, could not gain access since they were closed. He reminded me of Tom Cruise in Risky Business, dealing Lambos! So he is going to email me when it's done and I can go back for a look next week. He also said they have an interested buyer(don't they all?),which may explain the detailing. They must have 20 Lamborghini's just that I could see and some other speciality cars too. Millions of dollars worth of cars. I felt like I walked into a bank vault. I felt a little out of my comfort zone but we talked and he filled me in on the different Lambo models and car stuff in general.They sell between 15-30 cars a month and cater to Lambo buyers primarily. They claim to be one of the biggest Lambo dealers around. He said the owner, Roy Cats, has a special place in his heart for Panteras though. He indicated Roy had recently found another car he's purchasing soon. Stay tuned. John also said they feel the market is surging for Panteras right now. Duh! But in the same breath he added "it's like the stock market ,who knows?". They did have a car I would take over all the rest though, a 2006 Ford GT in Gulf livery. So I took a few pics for you. I haven't tried attaching pics yet so please let me know PM if they don't show up and I'll find another way to post. Let you know what I find out about the Pantera later this week. Matt 3584 [25]http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso- pantera-luxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375

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NPC: no more cams
by Larry 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

Chinese carmaker <http://newatlas.com/qoros-2-plug-in-hybrid-suv/37162/> Qoros has joined <http://newatlas.com/koenigsegg-regera-geneva/36376/> Koenigsegg in demonstrating a <http://newatlas.com/camless-combustion-engine-cargine-engineering/12200/> camless engine. Rather than using a traditional camshaft to control an engine's valves, the QamFree motor uses electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators to provide precise control over each valve for more power and a 12 to 17 percent improvement in fuel economy. * * * * <http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true# picture5> FreeValve's clever actuators In most engines the camshaft's rotating lobes push rockers that open the valves and allow valve springs to shut them. Unfortunately, this process involves a stage where the valves are partially open or shut, which means the system isn't always operating at ideal efficiency. Rather than continuing to use this technology, which Koenigsegg likens to "playing a piano with a both hands tied to the opposite ends of a broomstick," the QamFree engine allows far greater control over the engine's intake and exhaust valves thanks to electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators. <http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true# picture6> The engine has been developed in conjunction with FreeValve AB, one of Koenigsegg's sister companies. According to FreeValve, the technology reduces fuel consumption by 12 to 17 percent when compared to a modern, direct injection engine with variable cams. Qoros also says the QamFree engine allows the company to eke more power from a more compact package, which should mean punchy performance from engines that meet the ever-tightening Euro and Beijing emissions standards. Unfortunately, there's no mention of a release or production date for the engine, although Qoros does loosely suggest we might see it in future models. Currently, the engine remains a concept. Larry (cams are so yesterday) - Cleveland Chinese carmaker [1]Qoros has joined [2]Koenigsegg in demonstrating a [3]camless engine. Rather than using a traditional camshaft to control an engine's valves, the QamFree motor uses electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators to provide precise control over each valve for more power and a 12 to 17 percent improvement in fuel economy. . . . . [4]FreeValve's clever actuators In most engines the camshaft's rotating lobes push rockers that open the valves and allow valve springs to shut them. Unfortunately, this process involves a stage where the valves are partially open or shut, which means the system isn't always operating at ideal efficiency. Rather than continuing to use this technology, which Koenigsegg likens to "playing a piano with a both hands tied to the opposite ends of a broomstick," the QamFree engine allows far greater control over the engine's intake and exhaust valves thanks to electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators. [5][cid:image002.jpg@01D1F23D.B7EFD4D0] The engine has been developed in conjunction with FreeValve AB, one of Koenigsegg's sister companies. According to FreeValve, the technology reduces fuel consumption by 12 to 17 percent when compared to a modern, direct injection engine with variable cams. Qoros also says the QamFree engine allows the company to eke more power from a more compact package, which should mean punchy performance from engines that meet the ever-tightening Euro and Beijing emissions standards. Unfortunately, there's no mention of a release or production date for the engine, although Qoros does loosely suggest we might see it in future models. Currently, the engine remains a concept. Larry (cams are so yesterday) - Cleveland References 1. http://newatlas.com/qoros-2-plug-in-hybrid-suv/37162/ 2. http://newatlas.com/koenigsegg-regera-geneva/36376/ 3. http://newatlas.com/camless-combustion-engine-cargine-engineering/12200/ 4. http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true#… 5. http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true#…

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NPC: no more cams
by Larry 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

Chinese carmaker <http://newatlas.com/qoros-2-plug-in-hybrid-suv/37162/> Qoros has joined <http://newatlas.com/koenigsegg-regera-geneva/36376/> Koenigsegg in demonstrating a <http://newatlas.com/camless-combustion-engine-cargine-engineering/12200/> camless engine. Rather than using a traditional camshaft to control an engine's valves, the QamFree motor uses electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators to provide precise control over each valve for more power and a 12 to 17 percent improvement in fuel economy. * * * * <http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true# picture5> FreeValve's clever actuators In most engines the camshaft's rotating lobes push rockers that open the valves and allow valve springs to shut them. Unfortunately, this process involves a stage where the valves are partially open or shut, which means the system isn't always operating at ideal efficiency. Rather than continuing to use this technology, which Koenigsegg likens to "playing a piano with a both hands tied to the opposite ends of a broomstick," the QamFree engine allows far greater control over the engine's intake and exhaust valves thanks to electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators. <http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true# picture6> The engine has been developed in conjunction with FreeValve AB, one of Koenigsegg's sister companies. According to FreeValve, the technology reduces fuel consumption by 12 to 17 percent when compared to a modern, direct injection engine with variable cams. Qoros also says the QamFree engine allows the company to eke more power from a more compact package, which should mean punchy performance from engines that meet the ever-tightening Euro and Beijing emissions standards. Unfortunately, there's no mention of a release or production date for the engine, although Qoros does loosely suggest we might see it in future models. Currently, the engine remains a concept. Larry (cams are so yesterday) - Cleveland Chinese carmaker [1]Qoros has joined [2]Koenigsegg in demonstrating a [3]camless engine. Rather than using a traditional camshaft to control an engine's valves, the QamFree motor uses electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators to provide precise control over each valve for more power and a 12 to 17 percent improvement in fuel economy. . . . . [4]FreeValve's clever actuators In most engines the camshaft's rotating lobes push rockers that open the valves and allow valve springs to shut them. Unfortunately, this process involves a stage where the valves are partially open or shut, which means the system isn't always operating at ideal efficiency. Rather than continuing to use this technology, which Koenigsegg likens to "playing a piano with a both hands tied to the opposite ends of a broomstick," the QamFree engine allows far greater control over the engine's intake and exhaust valves thanks to electro-hydraulic-pneumatic actuators. [5][cid:image002.jpg@01D1F23D.B7EFD4D0] The engine has been developed in conjunction with FreeValve AB, one of Koenigsegg's sister companies. According to FreeValve, the technology reduces fuel consumption by 12 to 17 percent when compared to a modern, direct injection engine with variable cams. Qoros also says the QamFree engine allows the company to eke more power from a more compact package, which should mean punchy performance from engines that meet the ever-tightening Euro and Beijing emissions standards. Unfortunately, there's no mention of a release or production date for the engine, although Qoros does loosely suggest we might see it in future models. Currently, the engine remains a concept. Larry (cams are so yesterday) - Cleveland References 1. http://newatlas.com/qoros-2-plug-in-hybrid-suv/37162/ 2. http://newatlas.com/koenigsegg-regera-geneva/36376/ 3. http://newatlas.com/camless-combustion-engine-cargine-engineering/12200/ 4. http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true#… 5. http://newatlas.com/qoros-qamfree-camless-engine/43045/pictures?thumb=true#…

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im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk
by JACKIE RANS 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/8/16, detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com <detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 8 To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:00 PM Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? (Asa Jay Laughton) 2. NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource (Mike Thomas) 3. 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Matt) 4. Re: Has anyone researched hood vent designs? (Dave Londry) (Charles Engles) 5. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Julian Kift) 6. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) 7. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Dave Londry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:07:11 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Message-ID: <57A75CAF.8080000(a)asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I've not done A/C since my days in Automotive Technology school. But as I recall, the "goal" was to have 45F degrees at the vents. 38F at the vents sounds pretty darn good to me. :) Can you come and do mine? Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 8/7/2016 3:25 AM, Jeff Cobb wrote: Jim, How cold do you want to be? You are almost as cold as Hillary Clinton's soul! Remove tools and hang meat. Jeff On Aug 6, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Pantdino [3]<[1]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: So at 83F ambient temp and 1500 rpm I see 7 psi on low side and 250 on high. I got one of those vent thermometers and it shows 35F at the vent. Sounds pretty good to me Or should I add a bit more 134? -----Original Message----- From: Pantdino [4]<[2]pantdino(a)aol.com> To: jeffcobb1 [5]<[3]jeffcobb1(a)me.com>; detomaso [6]<[4]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jeff, I hooked up the high pressure side gauge and get these numbers: before starting car, 100 psi both sides after system settles down, at 1500 rpm, low side 7 psi, high side 225 psi. As the car warmed the engine speed increased to maybe 1750 rpm and the high side was creeping up to 240-250 but the low was staying at 5-7. Ambient temp was 77F, so should be about 40-45 low side, 170 high side. According to the info sheet, this "Hi side too high, low side too low" situation would imply "blockage of expansion valve or orifice tube." Would that be from having the R12 valve in a system now using 134? I used my laser thermometer on the vents and got 20-40F, but I suspect that kind of thermometer is not accurate for this application because on my street car I got like 13F, which I think cannot be right. Anyway, it seems to me if I add more 134 I run the risk of blowing the high side hose at 3000 rpm and 85F temp. Does that sound right? I do have 15 12 oz cans of old school R12 I bought way back when, so I could switch to R12, but I would have to take the car to have the 134 recycled, replace the dryer, put the system under vacuum, etc so would like not to. Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: JEFFREY COBB [7]<[5]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [8]<[6]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [9]<[7]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2016 3:37 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? Jim, All cars use different pressures and for examples this week we did a/c work on a 124 Fiat, many Benz-Bmws-Toyotas, a 71 e-type, Ford +Chevy trucks, a Cobra kit car and a Mangusta. But basic pressures at 1,500 rpm with cooling fans on and on high, with both windows open, rear and front hatch closed, high fan and not on recirc should be about 35 + - low side and 250 + - high. Seems like a 7:1 ratio works the best. Converted systems do need different numbers but never too much of a change. So your low range should vary from 20 to 38 psi and the high 210 to 260 psi as long as above written parameters are meet. The proper pressures will equate to the coolest temps. You have to note that and remember you are just setting the vent output for the coolest temp not some pre-considered ideal temp you hope for. About 30 % of all of our a/c fixes are fixing the stuck on heaters. We are in hot Louisiana, make sure your heater is truly shut off by doing a liquid test. Do use the correct oil and add 2 oz if you are not sure of how much is in. You can always expel the working high side into a cloth or jug for 2 seconds to get an idea if you are oily enough. A lot of spit indicates fine but dry expelled gas needs oil. Keep cool, Jeff Jeff Cobb- I pad W-225-343-7525 C-225-907-4514 Jeff Cobb Auto Works 1316 S. Acadian Thruway Baton Rouge, La. 70806 [8]www.LiveOakConcours.org On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Pantdino [10]<[9]pantdino(a)aol.com> wrote: Hi, Jeff, What should the pressures be? Thank you, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cobb [11]<[10]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> To: Pantdino [12]<[11]pantdino(a)aol.com>; detomaso [13]<[12]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Cc: Jeff Cobb [14]<[13]jeffcobb1(a)me.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a? The sight glass is always used as a reference point. You must go by the dual gauges. Never by the low side only. Jeff Cobb On Aug 4, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso [15]<[14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > After switching the AC system to 134a, do you use the sight glass in > the dryer or go by the pressure at the low pressure port like with > modern cars? > > Sorry, but I don't recall what I learned several years ago when I > switched the system over. > > Jim Oddie > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [[16]15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [16][17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Very original, but definitely not flawless. Pretty car, except for the butt-ugly US bumpers. The front looks like it's choking on a hockey puck, the back is just a visual mess between the PANTERA tail lights, and the rubber transom of a bumper. It is the perfect color though. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maserati-KHAMSIN-Base-Coupe-2-Door-/401164735310?for cerrptr=true&hash=item5d6748134e:g:sxQAAOSwhOdXoe8V&item=401164735310 Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:48:56 -0700 From: Matt <nwpantera(a)gmail.com> To: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT Message-ID: <CAAygGO-+eJ5mU5UFArxKv6uCGrR1CxxPbBoXpwoFdj9ZCy1otA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I went to go inspect the car today. It was next door in the detailing shop. The sales guy, John Zuberek, could not gain access since they were closed. He reminded me of Tom Cruise in Risky Business, dealing Lambos! So he is going to email me when it's done and I can go back for a look next week. He also said they have an interested buyer(don't they all?),which may explain the detailing. They must have 20 Lamborghini's just that I could see and some other speciality cars too. Millions of dollars worth of cars. I felt like I walked into a bank vault. I felt a little out of my comfort zone but we talked and he filled me in on the different Lambo models and car stuff in general.They sell between 15-30 cars a month and cater to Lambo buyers primarily. They claim to be one of the biggest Lambo dealers around. He said the owner, Roy Cats, has a special place in his heart for Panteras though. He indicated Roy had recently found another car he's purchasing soon. Stay tuned. John also said they feel the market is surging for Panteras right now. Duh! But in the same breath he added "it's like the stock market ,who knows?". They did have a car I would take over all the rest though, a 2006 Ford GT in Gulf livery. So I took a few pics for you. I haven't tried attaching pics yet so please let me know PM if they don't show up and I'll find another way to post. Let you know what I find out about the Pantera later this week. Matt 3584 http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso- pantera-luxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375

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Re: [DeTomaso] Auctions (Hot August Nights & Monterey)
by Himes, Terry (397C) 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

Julian, My uncle (Wes Myrick) restored Futureliner #10. I didn't think there were more than one left. Can you send me any more information on Dan Kindig and that one? Thanks Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Friday, August 5, 2016 9:18 PM To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Auctions (Hot August Nights & Monterey) It's slow on the list and I've just returned from an afternoon at the Hot August Nights auction now run by Motorsports Auction Group (MAG) after BJ blew Reno off (literally). It seemed there were a lot of no sales, those cars that did sell (of cars that would be of interest to me) seemed mostly well bought. No Pantera's and as expected a lot of hot rods, which are very much an individual taste IMO, usually coveted most by the guy that built it more than anyone else!. Dave Kindig and his sidekick were there with the GM Futureliner (feature lot) a 60' Caddy and an F100. I have to say the quality of the workmanship and final finish was impressive. On to upcoming auctions and the Pantera content as there's a 'Plethora of Pantera's' coming up for sale in Monterey in a couple weeks. Yes I purposely put 'pride' aside as last time all those Southern cats got together they stirred up a hornets nest, but also because when you look up a group of Panther's (not withstanding they are solitary felines) they would be a 'leap' and not a pride! You wouldn't believe the hits I got for a group of Cougars....... Anyway enough of the multiplicity of big cats and onto the multiples of Pantera's coming up for auction; Mecum seems to have the 'leap' on all the other auctions with six Pantera's on the lot list; https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244447/1974-detomaso-pantera/ https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244469/1974-detomaso-pantera/ https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244585/1974-detomaso-pantera/ https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-259989/1972-detomaso-pantera-l/ https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-260073/1971-detomaso-pantera/ https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244308/1972-detomaso-pantera/ <https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244308/1972-detomaso-pantera/>None of the other major auction houses had any De Tomaso models listed. Julian Julian, My uncle (Wes Myrick) restored Futureliner #10. I didn't think there were more than one left. Can you send me any more information on Dan Kindig and that one? Thanks Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> Date: Friday, August 5, 2016 9:18 PM To: "[4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Auctions (Hot August Nights & Monterey) It's slow on the list and I've just returned from an afternoon at the Hot August Nights auction now run by Motorsports Auction Group (MAG) after BJ blew Reno off (literally). It seemed there were a lot of no sales, those cars that did sell (of cars that would be of interest to me) seemed mostly well bought. No Pantera's and as expected a lot of hot rods, which are very much an individual taste IMO, usually coveted most by the guy that built it more than anyone else!. Dave Kindig and his sidekick were there with the GM Futureliner (feature lot) a 60' Caddy and an F100. I have to say the quality of the workmanship and final finish was impressive. On to upcoming auctions and the Pantera content as there's a 'Plethora of Pantera's' coming up for sale in Monterey in a couple weeks. Yes I purposely put 'pride' aside as last time all those Southern cats got together they stirred up a hornets nest, but also because when you look up a group of Panther's (not withstanding they are solitary felines) they would be a 'leap' and not a pride! You wouldn't believe the hits I got for a group of Cougars....... Anyway enough of the multiplicity of big cats and onto the multiples of Pantera's coming up for auction; Mecum seems to have the 'leap' on all the other auctions with six Pantera's on the lot list; [6]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244447/1974-detomaso-pantera/ [7]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244469/1974-detomaso-pantera/ [8]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244585/1974-detomaso-pantera/ [9]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-259989/1972-detomaso-pantera-l/ [10]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-260073/1971-detomaso-pantera/ [11]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244308/1972-detomaso-pantera/ <[12]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244308/1972-detomaso-pantera/>No ne of the other major auction houses had any De Tomaso models listed. Julian References 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244447/1974-detomaso-pantera/ 7. https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244469/1974-detomaso-pantera/ 8. https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244585/1974-detomaso-pantera/ 9. https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-259989/1972-detomaso-pantera-l/ 10. https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-260073/1971-detomaso-pantera/ 11. https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244308/1972-detomaso-pantera/ 12. https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244308/1972-detomaso-pantera/>None

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Pantera Parts for Sale - Console, Firewall Cover
by Mike Thomas 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

I have two interior pieces from my 74 for sale. The original firewall cover and the center console. The console is pretty rough, and will be a challenging re-cover. The firewall cover is intact, fiberglass and vinyl there and unbroken or torn, but the vinyl has delaminated along the edges in a number of areas. I have a proper box to ship the firewall cover in: the one Kirk Evans sent my firewall reduction kit in. Not sure what they're worth. I know you can't get original consoles for any price in good shape (last one I saw on Ebay was 10 years ago for $500). Make me an offer. Price plus shipping. I have photos of both if you are interested. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328

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NPC: Need an assist listing on Ebay
by Mike Thomas 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

I want to list a couple of Pantera parts on Ebay, and have not done so for many years. Could someone with some practice contact me off line for some pointers. It's not as intuitive as I remember. Thanks Mike Thomas

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Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Ford 5.4 liter engine blows out sparkplugs ?
by Jeff Cobb 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

We had to remove 3 5.4 broken spark plugs from a 06 Expedition today. Should only be done cold after you spray in Kroil or some penetrate when engine is hot and you try to turn plugs 1 turn so to gives the threads a good soaking. Let it sit overnight. The spark metal body is too thin. Sort of like having crystal glass spark plugs. The tool works great. Jeff Cobb On Aug 8, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Larry <Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com> wrote: > Guido David, > > I fixed a friend's 2000 Mustang GT that had the same thing happen. He said > it sounded like a gun shot! > > On a good plug hole it only had 4 threads on an aluminum head (nice). By > using anti cease (love that stuff) you can over tighten the plug and pull > the threads. If you install plugs that are a bit to0 long in the thread area > you will expose a thread or two in the combustion chamber. After time they > will cake up with deposits. When you remove the plug it will pull the > threads out. > > TimeSert was the best way as they use a pin to lock it in. I used a far > less costly insert to do the job. He never removed the plugs in that car > again. He traded it in on a 2016 550HP Challenger. > > Larry - Cleveland > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Guido deTomaso > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 7:37 PM > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Ford 5.4 liter engine blows out sparkplugs ? > > Think this engine is swapped into some Panteras, someone I know had a > sparkplug blow out like a bullet, apparently this is a fairly common problem > according to brief internet research. > Wondering if anyone here has experience repairing a sparkplug hole on one of > these, apparently it's a special shaped hole for a special shaped plug. > TimeSert make a kit, but it's like $600. > Thanks, > GD > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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NPC: Ford 5.4 liter engine blows out sparkplugs ?
by Guido deTomaso 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

Think this engine is swapped into some Panteras, someone I know had a sparkplug blow out like a bullet, apparently this is a fairly common problem according to brief internet research. Wondering if anyone here has experience repairing a sparkplug hole on one of these, apparently it's a special shaped hole for a special shaped plug. TimeSert make a kit, but it's like $600. Thanks, GD Think this engine is swapped into some Panteras, someone I know had a sparkplug blow out like a bullet, apparently this is a fairly common problem according to brief internet research. Wondering if anyone here has experience repairing a sparkplug hole on one of these, apparently it's a special shaped hole for a special shaped plug. TimeSert make a kit, but it's like $600. Thanks, GD

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NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource
by Mike Thomas 08 Aug '16

08 Aug '16

A very original Maserati Khamsin Ebay listing sent out by Masertisource. Very original, but definitely not flawless. Pretty car, except for the butt-ugly US bumpers. The front looks like it's choking on a hockey puck, the back is just a visual mess between the PANTERA tail lights, and the rubber transom of a bumper. It is the perfect color though. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maserati-KHAMSIN-Base-Coupe-2-Door-/401164735310?for cerrptr=true&hash=item5d6748134e:g:sxQAAOSwhOdXoe8V&item=401164735310 Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328

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