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Cooling system
by Ken and Lela MacArthur 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

All, Looking for advice on the newer aluminum radiators and stainless tube sets offered out there. I just took my OLD Hall brass one in for repairs and they want $650 for a re-do. I could get a new one for that price, but would like to know who has upgraded to a turn key kit like PIM offers or other dealer and if you would recommend any particular setup. Thanks for the help. Ken MacArthur 72L 4443 All, Looking for advice on the newer aluminum radiators and stainless tube sets offered out there. I just took my OLD Hall brass one in for repairs and they want $650 for a re-do. I could get a new one for that price, but would like to know who has upgraded to a turn key kit like PIM offers or other dealer and if you would recommend any particular setup. Thanks for the help. Ken MacArthur 72L 4443

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Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
by Tom Cabanski 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

My Fluidyne has been in my car for 10 years without a problem. tom My Fluidyne has been in my car for 10 years without a problem. tom

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Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
by bill＠incendium.com 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

Ken: Please call Dennis at Pantera Performance Center, Castle Rock, CO. 303 660 9897. You will be happy. I have over 20,000 miles on my PPC cooling system without any problems and it will not overheat. CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> Date: 2016-07-26 9:47 AM (GMT-07:00) To: Ken and Lela MacArthur <klckmac(a)msn.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system That seems alike a lot, I'd shop around, but ultimately your repaired Hall radiator will be far better prospect than a new aluminum radiator IMO. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur <klckmac(a)msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:41 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Cooling system All, Looking for advice on the newer aluminum radiators and stainless tube sets offered out there. I just took my OLD Hall brass one in for repairs and they want $650 for a re-do. I could get a new one for that price, but would like to know who has upgraded to a turn key kit like PIM offers or other dealer and if you would recommend any particular setup. Thanks for the help. Ken MacArthur 72L 4443 That seems alike a lot, I'd shop around, but ultimately your repaired Hall radiator will be far better prospect than a new aluminum radiator IMO. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur <klckmac(a)msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:41 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Cooling system All, Looking for advice on the newer aluminum radiators and stainless tube sets offered out there. I just took my OLD Hall brass one in for repairs and they want $650 for a re-do. I could get a new one for that price, but would like to know who has upgraded to a turn key kit like PIM offers or other dealer and if you would recommend any particular setup. Thanks for the help. Ken MacArthur 72L 4443 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Ken: Please call Dennis at Pantera Performance Center, Castle Rock, CO. 303 660 9897. You will be happy. I have over 20,000 miles on my PPC cooling system without any problems and it will not overheat. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> Date: 2016-07-26 9:47 AM (GMT-07:00) To: Ken and Lela MacArthur <klckmac(a)msn.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system That seems alike a lot, I'd shop around, but ultimately your repaired Hall radiator will be far better prospect than a new aluminum radiator IMO. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur <klckmac(a)msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:41 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Cooling system All, Looking for advice on the newer aluminum radiators and stainless tube sets offered out there. I just took my OLD Hall brass one in for repairs and they want $650 for a re-do. I could get a new one for that price, but would like to know who has upgraded to a turn key kit like PIM offers or other dealer and if you would recommend any particular setup. Thanks for the help. Ken MacArthur 72L 4443 That seems alike a lot, I'd shop around, but ultimately your repaired Hall radiator will be far better prospect than a new aluminum radiator IMO. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur <klckmac(a)msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:41 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Cooling system All, Looking for advice on the newer aluminum radiators and stainless tube sets offered out there. I just took my OLD Hall brass one in for repairs and they want $650 for a re-do. I could get a new one for that price, but would like to know who has upgraded to a turn key kit like PIM offers or other dealer and if you would recommend any particular setup. Thanks for the help. Ken MacArthur 72L 4443 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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FW: Cooling system
by Larry - Ohio Time 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

<< I just drove Lolita from KS to NY and back>> And you did not stop for lunch this time?? Larry (sad) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of B Hower via DeTomaso Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:20 PM To: Ken and Lela MacArthur; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system My OEM was damaged beyond repair. I chose a Dennis Q, / Ron Davis with twin fans from Dennis also... I installed without major problems. The hoses both were reinstalled without having to modify them. Being 3400 only had one wire for fans a second was run. Temperature switches are 170 and 180 degree for fan control. I love this set up. My OEM needed cleaned even before it got damaged and gave me overheating caution on hot days. I just drove Lolita from KS to NY and back in very hot weather. After a long run on I-90 I did an IR check at hose in front of surge tank, reading was 170 degrees. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: Ken and Lela MacArthur <klckmac(a)msn.com> To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:41 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Cooling system All, Looking for advice on the newer aluminum radiators and stainless tube sets offered out there. I just took my OLD Hall brass one in for repairs and they want $650 for a re-do. I could get a new one for that price, but would like to know who has upgraded to a turn key kit like PIM offers or other dealer and if you would recommend any particular setup. Thanks for the help. Ken MacArthur 72L 4443 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
by cengles＠cox.net 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

Dear Forum, This reminded me that one of my Pantera friends here, just installed a new Hall Pantera radiator in his newly restored Pantera, only to have it develop a leak after a few months and several hundred miles of gentlemanly use. No warranty. Repairs were surprisingly expensive and more than I would have guessed. Why I do not know. I do know that the old fashioned brass radiators in my two Panteras are working well. One came from Pantera Performance about two decades ago and the other came from Pantera East shortly thereafter. FWIW. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso wrote: > Ken, > I had the same problem a few years back. I have been through two hall > radiators and the cost to repair was huge with no warranty. I > replaced it with an aluminum one and have had terrific luck. No more > leaks and it keeps the engine cool. > > Jim > > From: Ken and Lela MacArthur <klckmac(a)msn.com> > To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:41 > AM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Cooling system > All, > > Looking for advice on the newer aluminum radiators and stainless > tube > sets offered out there. I just took my OLD Hall brass one in for > repairs and they want $650 for a re-do. I could get a new one for > that > price, but would like to know who has upgraded to a turn key kit > like > PIM offers or other dealer and if you would recommend any particular > setup. > > Thanks for the help. > > Ken MacArthur > > 72L 4443 > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Congrats To Gray Gregory at Le Mans Classic
by scottcouchman＠yahoo.com 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

Gray Gregory final results for the 2016 Le Mans Classic show he and Alex finished 12th overall in their grid! Great result, and on the lead lap. Ahead of some very big time cars. Congratulations http://peterautoracing.alkamelsystems.com/Results/06_2016/04_LE%20MANS/174_…

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Museums in and Near Los Angeles
by Don Thomas 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

All, Here are some other Museums in and near to Los Angeles next time you visit: Automobile Driving Museum <http://www.automobiledrivingmuseum.org/> El Segundo California Route 66 Museum <http://www.califrt66museum.org/> Victorville, CA 92395 Edelbrock Museum - call them first http://www.hotrod.com/feature_stories/hrdp_1205w_edelbrock_museum_personal_… http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/misc/company/contact.shtml 2700 California Street, Torrance, CA 90503 >From <http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/misc/company/contact.shtml> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2700+California+Street,+Torrance,+CA+90503 County of Los Angeles Fire Museum <http://www.clafma.org/> Justice Brothers Racing Museum <http://www.justicebrothers.com/pages/racing-museum/racing&museum.htm> Marconi Automotive Museum <http://www.marconimuseum.org/> Mercedes-Benz Classic Center <http://www.mbusa.com/heritage/classic-center-california.do> Motor Transport Museum <http://www.sdrm.org/border/> Motte Historical Museum <http://www.mottemuseum.com/> Murphy Auto Museum <http://murphyautomuseum.org/> Oilstick - Museum of Gasoline Pumps <http://www.oilstick.com/> Riverside International Automotive Museum <http://riversideinternational.org/> Route 66 "Mother Road" Museum <http://www.route66museum.org/index.html> San Diego Automotive Museum <http://www.sdautomuseum.org/> Solvang Vintage Motorcycle Museum <http://www.motosolvang.com/index.html> http://www.oilmuseum.net/ Santa Paula Gateway automotive museum <http://www.gatewayautomuseum.com/> - Colorado (John Henry Collection / Founder of the Discovery Channel) The Mullin Automotive Museum <http://www.mullinautomotivemuseum.com/> Petersen Automotive Museum <http://www.petersen.org/> The Nethercutt Collection <http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/> NHRA Motorsports Museum <http://www.museum.nhra.com/> Best regards, -dt Don Thomas All, Here are some other Museums in and near to Los Angeles next time you visit: A [1]Automobile Driving MuseumA El Segundo [2]California Route 66 MuseumA Victorville, CA 92395 Edelbrock Museum - call them first [3]http://www.hotrod.com/feature_stories/hrdp_1205w_edelbrock_museum_pe rsonal_collection/ [4]http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/misc/company/contact.shtml 2700 California Street, Torrance, CA 90503 A From <[5]http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/misc/company/contact.shtml> A [6]https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2700+California+Street,+Torrance,+CA+ 90503 A [7]County of Los Angeles Fire Museum [8]Justice Brothers Racing Museum [9]Marconi Automotive Museum [10]Mercedes-Benz Classic Center [11]Motor Transport Museum [12]Motte Historical Museum [13]Murphy Auto Museum [14]Oilstick - Museum of Gasoline Pumps [15]Riverside International Automotive Museum [16]Route 66 "Mother Road" Museum [17]San Diego Automotive Museum [18]Solvang Vintage Motorcycle Museum [19]http://www.oilmuseum.net/ Santa Paula [20]Gateway automotive museum - Colorado (John Henry Collection /A Founder of the Discovery Channel) [21]The Mullin Automotive Museum [22]Petersen Automotive Museum [23]The Nethercutt Collection [24]NHRA Motorsports Museum A Best regards, -dt Don Thomas References 1. http://www.automobiledrivingmuseum.org/ 2. http://www.califrt66museum.org/ 3. http://www.hotrod.com/feature_stories/hrdp_1205w_edelbrock_museum_personal_… 4. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/misc/company/contact.shtml 5. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/misc/company/contact.shtml 6. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2700+California+Street,+Torrance,+CA+90503 7. http://www.clafma.org/ 8. http://www.justicebrothers.com/pages/racing-museum/racing&museum.htm 9. http://www.marconimuseum.org/ 10. http://www.mbusa.com/heritage/classic-center-california.do 11. http://www.sdrm.org/border/ 12. http://www.mottemuseum.com/ 13. http://murphyautomuseum.org/ 14. http://www.oilstick.com/ 15. http://riversideinternational.org/ 16. http://www.route66museum.org/index.html 17. http://www.sdautomuseum.org/ 18. http://www.motosolvang.com/index.html 19. http://www.oilmuseum.net/ 20. http://www.gatewayautomuseum.com/ 21. http://www.mullinautomotivemuseum.com/ 22. http://www.petersen.org/ 23. http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/ 24. http://www.museum.nhra.com/

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Re: [DeTomaso] Anybody been to the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles?
by Ed Mendez 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

I have been there, it is great. Saw the Elvis Pantera, but was a real treat was seeing Steve McQueen's D-Type Jag. So beautiful. Ed On Jul 25, 2016, at 02:07 PM, scott black via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: It is a fun place to visit. I love the cars. I recommend it. Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration http://www.tprm-usa.com On Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:23 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I have been there, it is great. Saw the Elvis Pantera, but was a real treat was seeing Steve McQueen's D-Type Jag. So beautiful. Ed On Jul 25, 2016, at 02:07 PM, scott black via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: It is a fun place to visit. I love the cars. I recommend it. Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration [1]http://www.tprm-usa.com On Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:23 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [2][2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://www.tprm-usa.com/ 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 4. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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The “REAL” Pantera Club
by Jeff Udelson 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

In my combined 25years plus owning 2 Panteras I have never been a member of POCA or PI. I have occasionallyposted on the e-mail list and slightly more often on the PI forum. I have been a member of what I feel is a very unique, outstandinggroup of individuals which I consider a true representation of the “REAL”Pantera Club. This club has no BOD, no by-laws, no membership dues etc. It started with my first contact with Gary Hall in the 70s.He patiently helped me with Pantera #4060. And even had me join his wonderfulfamily for dinner when I visited LA. When I purchased #4134 in 94 I wasfortunate enough to find local help in the form of “The Pantera Place”‘s MikeDaily and Dick Koch. Hands on help for me the mechanically challenged alongwith countless phone calls. Through the years I have been blessed to have hadJack Deryke patiently respond to my countless e-mail questions I was too embarrassedto ask on the list or forum. And Bill Taylor, just friggin WoW! Years ago he fabricated for me the tools and aspecial jig to remove my a-arm bushings. Jon Hass (Pantera Electronics) the quiet engineer who designs the hellout of Pantera specific components. He has even helped me with Panteraelectrical issues not related to his products. Going as far as to help me withJeep electrical problems. I have had owners send me parts that they could have easilysold, given for free. Not even willing to take reimbursement for shipping. Iprobably will never meet these wonderful people in person but consider themfriends. Without their invaluable assistance I probably would have sold my caryears ago.These individuals and countless other Pantera owners arewhat has made Pantera ownership for me a pleasure. I may be wrong here but Iwould be hard pressed to think there are other car clubs with this many kind,generous and supportive individuals. The reason I felt inclined to write this e-mail is notreally for current owners. All of you I know have similar experiences to mine.It is for the new or more importantly perspective Pantera owners. This e-mailis for them, those lurking just wanting to see what kind of support networkexists in the Pantera world. From the e-mail postings since the last POCAelections you would think as a perspective new owner that this is the most dysfunctionalgroup of people ever. And “why oh why would I want to be a part of this”? So this e-mailpost is my contribution to the e-mail archives. Telling Pantera owners fordecades, new owners and, perspective owners that the "REAL" Pantera club is notPOCA and not PI. But hundreds of Pantera owners who make up one hell of an unofficialclub. People who will help you in countless ways asking nothing in return.Thank you Pantera friends. Jeff Udelson#4134 Atlanta GA USA In my combined 25 years plus owning 2 Panteras I have never been a member of POCA or PI. I have occasionally posted on the e-mail list and slightly more often on the PI forum. I have been a member of what I feel is a very unique, outstanding group of individuals which I consider a true representation of the aREALa Pantera Club. This club has no BOD, no by-laws, no membership dues etc. It started with my first contact with Gary Hall in the 70s. He patiently helped me with Pantera #4060. And even had me join his wonderful family for dinner when I visited LA. When I purchased #4134 in 94 I was fortunate enough to find local help in the form of aThe Pantera Placeaas Mike Daily and Dick Koch. Hands on help for me the mechanically challenged along with countless phone calls. Through the years I have been blessed to have had Jack Deryke patiently respond to my countless e-mail questions I was too embarrassed to ask on the list or forum. And Bill Taylor, just friggin WoW! Years ago he fabricated for me the tools and a special jig to remove my a-arm bushings. Jon Hass (Pantera Electronics) the quiet engineer who designs the hell out of Pantera specific components. He has even helped me with Pantera electrical issues not related to his products. Going as far as to help me with Jeep electrical problems. I have had owners send me parts that they could have easily sold, given for free. Not even willing to take reimbursement for shipping. I probably will never meet these wonderful people in person but consider them friends. Without their invaluable assistance I probably would have sold my car years ago. These individuals and countless other Pantera owners are what has made Pantera ownership for me a pleasure. I may be wrong here but I would be hard pressed to think there are other car clubs with this many kind, generous and supportive individuals. The reason I felt inclined to write this e-mail is not really for current owners. All of you I know have similar experiences to mine. It is for the new or more importantly perspective Pantera owners. This e-mail is for them, those lurking just wanting to see what kind of support network exists in the Pantera world. From the e-mail postings since the last POCA elections you would think as a perspective new owner that this is the most dysfunctional group of people ever. And awhy oh why would I want to be a part of thisa? So this e-mail post is my contribution to the e-mail archives. Telling Pantera owners for decades, new owners and, perspective owners that the "REAL" Pantera club is not POCA and not PI. But hundreds of Pantera owners who make up one hell of an unofficial club. People who will help you in countless ways asking nothing in return. Thank you Pantera friends. Jeff Udelson #4134 Atlanta GA USA

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The “REAL” Pantera Club
by Larry Finch 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

Jeff, Thank you for putting into words what so many of us feel. Larry

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