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Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
by cengles＠cox.net 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

Dear Rob, From what little I know..... This is the first time I have heard of this problem. I suppose that if the poor Pantera is eaten up with secret rust, then it could flex enough to break the glass, but that would a first. There are a lot of rusty Panteras that don't break the rear glass. Perhaps there is some abnormality of the manufacturing process so that the fit is too tight or that there may be some small offending ridge of weld or metal that is stressing the glass. I would suggest that the simplest approach would be to pull the glass and closely inspect with your glass man and re-install if no problems are found. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Rob Dumoulin wrote: > When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from > right > above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back > trim > panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side "spider" > cracks deviating from it. I have no theories of how the glass was > cracked > before I purchased the car. > > During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of > automotive > glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend > who is > in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member > brace > installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on > jack > stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being > reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and > back > glass in. > > The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim > Clinger's > house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. > No > major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range. > > The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard > from > the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame > rail > and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin > to > the top. > > My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace > it no > charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it > before I > put another one in and it breaks again. Is it possible that the car > being > on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to > bind > as it re-tweaked to its natural state? > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Anybody been to the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angel...
by P6746＠aol.com 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

Don't just go once, much like the Auto Museum up here in Saratoga Springs, it is constantly changing. Also if your in the LA area, be sure to see the NHRA museum in Pomona. I'll give you goose bumps. Bob Reid In a message dated 7/25/2016 5:06:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: It is a fun place to visit. I love the cars. I recommend it. Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com On Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:23 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It is a fun place to visit. I love the cars. I recommend it. Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com On Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:23 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Don't just go once, much like the Auto Museum up here in Saratoga Springs, it is constantly changing. Also if your in the LA area, be sure to see the NHRA museum in Pomona. I'll give you goose bumps. Bob Reid In a message dated 7/25/2016 5:06:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: It is a fun place to visit. I love the cars. I recommend it. Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com On Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:23 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It is a fun place to visit. I love the cars. I recommend it. Scott Black TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com On Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:23 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Fwd: U.S. Copyright Violations
by Ed Mendez 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

Here is his response. I removed all pictures of his car and his interior article, so I think I have done my due diligence. Even though as a volunteer officer of the club he gave up the rights to his intellectual property when he put it on the site, so I probably removed more than I should have. He is now saying he wants the whole site removed. Begin forwarded message: From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> Date: July 25, 2016 2:24:59 PM To: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> Subject: Re: U.S. Copyright Violations everything that you didn't do would have been done by me. so all of it every photo in every library every word in any post or blog any photo or graphic any pho0to that was post which was altered by me, which would be all of them On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: Can you be more specific as to what content exactly? On Jul 25, 2016, at 01:42 PM, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> wrote: Be advised that POCA.Com continues to violate US Copyright Law by displaying /using unaiuthorized content created by me in the form of text, graphics, photos and design elements. You have been given 96 hours to remove them and have not done so. Each violation will be noted and listed as a separate violation in a complaint to be filed with the US Eastern Judicial Circuit of the United States Federal District on Tuesday, July 26, 2016. This is the last time I'm going to tell you to remove everything from the website. You are not going to use my work to entice people into that toxic and divisive club. Copyright A bundle of intangible rights granted by statute to the author or originator of certain literary or artistic productions, whereby,for a limited period, the exclusive privilege is given to that person (or to any party to whom he or she transfers ownership) to make copies of the same for publication and sale. A copyright is a legal device that gives the creator of a literary, artistic, musical, or other creative work the sole right to publish and sell that work. Copyright owners have the right to control the reproduction of their work, including the right to receive payment for that reproduction. An author may grant or sell those rights to others, including publishers or recording companies. Violation of a copyright is called infringement. Summary of Civil and Criminal Penalties for Violation of Federal Copyright Laws Copyright infringement is the act of exercising, without permission or legal authority, one or more of the exclusive rights granted to the copyright owner under section 106 of the Copyright Act (Title 17 of the United States Code). These rights include the right to reproduce or distribute a copyrighted work. In the file-sharing context, downloading or uploading substantial parts of a copyrighted work without authority constitutes an infringement. Penalties for copyright infringement include civil and criminal penalties. In general, anyone found liable for civil copyright infringement may be ordered to pay either actual damages or "statutory" damages affixed at not less than $750 and not more than $30,000 per work infringed. For "willful" infringement, a court may award up to $150,000 per work infringed. A court can, in its discretion, also assess costs and attorneys' fees. For details, see Title 17, United States Code, Sections 504, 505. Willful copyright infringement can also result in criminal penalties, including imprisonment of up to five years and fines of up to $250,000 per offense. For more information, please see the Web site of the U.S. Copyright Office atwww.copyright.gov, especially their FAQ's at www.copyright.gov/help/faq. -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia michael(a)michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia michael(a)michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you Here is his response. I removed all pictures of his car and his interior article, so I think I have done my due diligence. Even though as a volunteer officer of the club he gave up the rights to his intellectual property when he put it on the site, so I probably removed more than I should have. He is now saying he wants the whole site removed. Begin forwarded message: From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> Date: July 25, 2016 2:24:59 PM To: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> Subject: Re: U.S. Copyright Violations everything that you didn't do would have been done by me. so all of it every photo in every library every word in any post or blog any photo or graphic any pho0to that was post which was altered by me, which would be all of them On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Ed Mendez <[1]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: Can you be more specific as to what content exactly? On Jul 25, 2016, at 01:42 PM, Michael Shortt <[2]michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> wrote: Be advised that [3]POCA.Com continues to violate US Copyright Law by displaying /using unaiuthorized content created by me in the form of text, graphics, photos and design elements. You have been given 96 hours to remove them and have not done so. Each violation will be noted and listed as a separate violation in a complaint to be filed with the US Eastern Judicial Circuit of the United States Federal District on Tuesday, July 26, 2016. This is the last time I'm going to tell you to remove everything from the website. You are not going to use my work to entice people into that toxic and divisive club. Copyright A bundle of intangible rights granted by statute to the author or origi nator of certain literary or artistic productions, whereby,for a limite d period, the exclusive privilege is given to that person (or to any pa rty to whom he or she transfers ownership) to make copies of the same f or publication and sale. A copyright is a legal device that gives the creator of a literary, art istic, musical, or other creative work the sole right to publish and se ll that work. Copyright owners have the right to control the reproducti on of their work, including the right to receive payment for that repro duction. An author may grant or sell those rights to others, including publishers or recording companies. Violation of a copyright is called i nfringement. Summary of Civil and Criminal Penalties for Violation of Federal Copyright Laws Copyright infringement is the act of exercising, without permission or legal authority, one or more of the exclusive rights granted to the copyright owner under section 106 of the Copyright Act (Title 17 of the United States Code). These rights include the right to reproduce or distribute a copyrighted work. In the file-sharing context, downloading or uploading substantial parts of a copyrighted work without authority constitutes an infringement. Penalties for copyright infringement include civil and criminal penalties. In general, anyone found liable for civil copyright infringement may be ordered to pay either actual damages or "statutory" damages affixed at not less than $750 and not more than $30,000 per work infringed. For "willful" infringement, a court may award up to $150,000 per work infringed. A court can, in its discretion, also assess costs and attorneys' fees. For details, see Title 17, United States Code, Sections 504, 505. Willful copyright infringement can also result in criminal penalties, including imprisonment of up to five years and fines of up to $250,000 per offense. For more information, please see the Web site of the U.S. Copyright Office at[4]www.copyright.gov, especially their FAQ's at [5]www.copyright.gov/help/faq. -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [6]michael(a)michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [7]michael(a)michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you References 1. mailto:edducati@mac.com 2. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com 3. http://POCA.Com/ 4. http://www.copyright.gov/ 5. http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq 6. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com 7. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com

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Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: U.S. Copyright Violations
by scott＠scottmeadphotography.com 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

In a nutshell... every photo in every library <<< NO -- The image is copyrighted by the photographer the instant the shutter button is depressed. There is no transference of copyright or additional assignment by placing it into a library.>>> every word in any post or blog <<< No -- any blog or internet posting someone writes becomes "public domain" once it's posted to a group or group Site.>>> any photo or graphic <<< No -- third verse, same as the first.>>> any pho0to that was post which was altered by me, which would be all of them <<<< No -- Fourth verse, well, you get it.>>>[]^[DEL: :DEL] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: U.S. Copyright Violations From: Ed Mendez <[1]edducati(a)mac.com> Date: Mon, July 25, 2016 11:38 am To: [2]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Here is his response. I removed all pictures of his car and his interior article, so I think I have done my due diligence. Even though as a volunteer officer of the club he gave up the rights to his intellectual property when he put it on the site, so I probably removed more than I should have. He is now saying he wants the whole site removed. Begin forwarded message: From: Michael Shortt <[3]michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> Date: July 25, 2016 2:24:59 PM To: Ed Mendez <[4]edducati(a)mac.com> Subject: Re: U.S. Copyright Violations everything that you didn't do would have been done by me. so all of it every photo in every library every word in any post or blog any photo or graphic any pho0to that was post which was altered by me, which would be all of them On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Ed Mendez <[5]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: Can you be more specific as to what content exactly? On Jul 25, 2016, at 01:42 PM, Michael Shortt <[6]michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> wrote: Be advised that [7]POCA.Com continues to violate US Copyright Law by displaying /using unaiuthorized content created by me in the form of text, graphics, photos and design elements. You have been given 96 hours to remove them and have not done so. Each violation will be noted and listed as a separate violation in a complaint to be filed with the US Eastern Judicial Circuit of the United States Federal District on Tuesday, July 26, 2016. This is the last time I'm going to tell you to remove everything from the website. You are not going to use my work to entice people into that toxic and divisive club. Copyright A bundle of intangible rights granted by statute to the author or origi nator of certain literary or artistic productions, whereby,for a limite d period, the exclusive privilege is given to that person (or to any pa rty to whom he or she transfers ownership) to make copies of the same f or publication and sale. A copyright is a legal device that gives the creator of a literary, art istic, musical, or other creative work the sole right to publish and se ll that work. Copyright owners have the right to control the reproducti on of their work, including the right to receive payment for that repro duction. An author may grant or sell those rights to others, including publishers or recording companies. Violation of a copyright is called i nfringement. Summary of Civil and Criminal Penalties for Violation of Federal Copyright Laws Copyright infringement is the act of exercising, without permission or legal authority, one or more of the exclusive rights granted to the copyright owner under section 106 of the Copyright Act (Title 17 of the United States Code). These rights include the right to reproduce or distribute a copyrighted work. In the file-sharing context, downloading or uploading substantial parts of a copyrighted work without authority constitutes an infringement. Penalties for copyright infringement include civil and criminal penalties. In general, anyone found liable for civil copyright infringement may be ordered to pay either actual damages or "statutory" damages affixed at not less than $750 and not more than $30,000 per work infringed. For "willful" infringement, a court may award up to $150,000 per work infringed. A court can, in its discretion, also assess costs and attorneys' fees. For details, see Title 17, United States Code, Sections 504, 505. Willful copyright infringement can also result in criminal penalties, including imprisonment of up to five years and fines of up to $250,000 per offense. For more information, please see the Web site of the U.S. Copyright Office [8]atwww.copyright.gov, especially their FAQ's at [9]www.copyright.gov/help/faq. -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [10]michael(a)michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [11]michael(a)michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you __________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Laurie's clarification to POCA membership & forum readers
by laurieferrari＠aol.com 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

Just to clarify for all POCA members and readers, I would like to make it clear that I resigned as Interim Profiles Editor, on July 20th, thus relinquishing my Board position and vote. My reasoning was to specifically NOT be involved with the politics of this Club. I remain neutral as there are valid arguments from all perspectives of what has transpired. I continue to have my own opinions and do my own thinking. I stepped up to volunteer to serve as Interim Editor after Mr. Haney's resignation. On the date I resigned, I relinquished any and all connection with political involvement. I made this clear to all Board Members. My decision was not representative of taking any side. I made this as a personal decision and for no other reason than to excuse myself from an unpleasant and hostile environment. Thus as of July 20th, I had asked to not be involved, that also meant it was inappropriate to name me in surveys or anything politically or Board related. I was unaware of these and took no part in their composition. Thank you for your understanding. Laurie Just to clarify for all POCA members and readers, I would like to make it clear that I resigned as Interim Profiles Editor, on July 20th, thus relinquishing my Board position and vote. My reasoning was to specifically NOT be involved with the politics of this Club. I remain neutral as there are valid arguments from all perspectives of what has transpired. I continue to have my own opinions and do my own thinking. I stepped up to volunteer to serve as Interim Editor after Mr. Haney's resignation. On the date I resigned, I relinquished any and all connection with political involvement. I made this clear to all Board Members. My decision was not representative of taking any side. I made this as a personal decision and for no other reason than to excuse myself from an unpleasant and hostile environment. Thus as of July 20th, I had asked to not be involved, that also meant it was inappropriate to name me in surveys or anything politically or Board related. I was unaware of these and took no part in their composition. Thank you for your understanding. Laurie

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Anybody been to the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles?
by Rob Dumoulin 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved. It is said to have Elvis's bullet-ridden Pantera and Magnum PI's 308. I never realized Elvis's car was preserved.

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NPC: Pressure washing paint and rust
by Larry - Ohio Time 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

Hi Guys I know there was someone here who did pressure washing paint/rust removal as a side job. Maybe from Florida? Please contact me as I have a few questions on the process. Larry (Mr Rusty) - Cleveland Hi Guys I know there was someone here who did pressure washing paint/rust removal as a side job. Maybe from Florida? Please contact me as I have a few questions on the process. Larry (Mr Rusty) - Cleveland

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Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
by Asa Jay Laughton 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

If possible, perhaps check all the weldments on the firewall, paying special attention to the engine access framework. It sounds to me like that area may be flexing for some reason. Note, I'm not an expert by any means, it just seems that something is allowing that area to flex and crack the window. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: >When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right >above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim >panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side "spider" >cracks deviating from it. I have no theories of how the glass was cracked >before I purchased the car. > >During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive >glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is >in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace >installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack >stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being >reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back >glass in. > >The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's >house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No >major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range. > >The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from >the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail >and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to >the top. > >My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no >charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I >put another one in and it breaks again. Is it possible that the car being >on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind >as it re-tweaked to its natural state? > > When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right > above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back > trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side > A "spider" cracks deviating from it.A I have no theories of how the > glass was cracked before I purchased the car. > During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of > automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by > a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear > cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car > was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the > wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new > windshield and back glass in. > The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim > Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the > install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH > range.A > The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard > from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side > frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point > of origin to the top. > My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace > it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it > before I put another one in and it breaks again.A Is it possible that > the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause > the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state? > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. If possible, perhaps check all the weldments on the firewall, paying special attention to the engine access framework. It sounds to me like that area may be flexing for some reason. Note, I'm not an expert by any means, it just seems that something is allowing that area to flex and crack the window. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> wrote: When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side "spider" cracks deviating from it. I have no theories of how the glass was cracked before I purchased the car. During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back glass in. The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range. The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to the top. My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I put another one in and it breaks again. Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state? When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side A "spider" cracks deviating from it.A I have no theories of how the glass was cracked before I purchased the car. During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back glass in. The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range.A The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to the top. My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I put another one in and it breaks again.A Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Rear Window Cracked.....again
by Rob Dumoulin 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side "spider" cracks deviating from it. I have no theories of how the glass was cracked before I purchased the car. During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back glass in. The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range. The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to the top. My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I put another one in and it breaks again. Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state? When I got 1488 eight years ago, the back window was cracked from right above where the driver side seat belt mount bolt goes through the back trim panel to the roof line. This was a single crack with no side A "spider" cracks deviating from it.A I have no theories of how the glass was cracked before I purchased the car. During the restoration, I bought a new gasket and had a piece of automotive glass cut using the original as a template and installed by a friend who is in the glass business. The car has an adjustable rear cross member brace installed over the ZF as many of us have and the car was sitting on jack stands with the wheels off for 2 weeks prior to the wheels being reinstalled and taken off the stands to put the new windshield and back glass in. The car has been drive on one long trip (to SE Pantera Prez Tim Clinger's house), a few docile cruises, and a few sporty ones since the install. No major driving events and only a few time in the 90-100 MPH range.A The new back glass cracked again but this time it cracked more inboard from the first crack. The new crack starts just above the driver side frame rail and has 5 "spider" cracks fanning out from the bottom point of origin to the top. My glass guy says he may have made the fit too tight and will replace it no charge. I'm looking for any other theories that could explain it before I put another one in and it breaks again.A Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 145, Issue 29
by bfett＠sbcglobal.net 24 Jul '16

24 Jul '16

My take is board and president elected. If you do not want them vote them out next election. Club was spending to much money on printing and not doing anything to bring in new members and the conflict must stop get along until next election. I think next board meeting needs to be open for all members to listen to and hear the issues. Thank you > On Jul 24, 2016, at 11:00 AM, detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com wrote: > > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > > > Daily Detomaso List Digest > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Will Kooiman) > 2. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Michael Haney) > 3. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Jeff Detrich) > 4. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (James coyne) > 5. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Douglas Kelm) > 6. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (audionut(a)hushmail.com) > 7. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Mark Peterson) > 8. POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board of > Directors (Mark Pinson) > 9. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board > of Directors (Mike Thomas) > 10. Voted? (gonancy(a)juno.com) > 11. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Dave) > 12. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Dave) > 13. Re: Voted? (Ken Green) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:26:38 -0400 > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com> > To: Ken Green <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>, Charles Engles > <cengles(a)cox.net>, 'Ed Mendez' <edducati(a)mac.com>, 'Mike Reilly' > <reillyms(a)live.com> > Cc: "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > Message-ID: <D3B91EA2.279AD%will.kooiman(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > It isn?t about controlling the club. > > It takes a lot of guts to step forward to be president (or any board > position). It is often a thankless job, and you take a lot of crap for it > - even when you are right. > > MS just wants to improve the club. I?m impressed with his energy and most > of his ideas. I disagree with some, but that?s another matter. > > The problem is he pissed off a lot of people with his approach, and now > it?s a back and forth verbal battle until someone has enough and leaves. > Unfortunately, there are <many> against him, and they?ll never all shut up > and leave. So, the ?fix" has to come from MS - somehow. > > > On 7/23/16, 9:54 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" > <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a >> car club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is >> ridiculous. The hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about crap >> like this going on to gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but >> it makes no sense for a car club. >> Ken >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: Charles Engles <cengles(a)cox.net> >> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati(a)mac.com>; >> 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms(a)live.com> >> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> Dear Ken, >> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus >> operandi. >> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM >> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly >> Cc: [2]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those >> surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an >> excuse to do things informed members would never approve? >> Ken >> From: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati(a)mac.com> >> To: Mike Reilly <[4]reillyms(a)live.com> >> Cc: "[5]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the >> board. >> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails >> that he has a list of. >>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms(a)live.com> wrote: >>> >>> Check your junk file. Mine was there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM >>> To: [3][8]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >>> >>> >>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th >>> reply. >>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information >>> and >>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees >>> and >>> future publication mailings. >>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email >>> address >>> to see whom to send above to. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DeTomaso >> [[4]mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Will Kooiman >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM >>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; [10]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com; >> [11]bill(a)incendium.com >>> Cc: [12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; >> [13]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; >>> [14]mbglobalsc(a)aol.com; [15]gpd4(a)juno.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >>> Verbatim from the survey: >>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and >>> want >>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR >>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, >>> let >>> the >>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. >>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you >> fully >>> support us, or you suck. >>> How about this? >>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am >>> unhappy >>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the >>> club >>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have >>> been >>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without >> treating >>> people >>> with respect, they should leave. >>> -- >>> Will >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [16]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [5][17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >>> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive >>> or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. 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The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous.? The > hole just gets deeper and deeper.? You read about crap like this going on?to > gain control of?multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a > car club. > Ken > > From: Charles Engles <cengles(a)cox.net> > To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati(a)mac.com>; > 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms(a)live.com> > Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > Dear Ken, > > > ? ? ? ? ? The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi. > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Ken Green via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM > To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly > Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > This is sounding really political and dishonest.? Is it one of those surveys > carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to do > things informed members would never approve? > Ken > > ? ? ? From: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> > To: Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> > Cc: "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > ? > You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board. > > Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that he > has a list of. > > > > >> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> wrote: >> >> ? Check your junk file.? Mine was there. >> >> >> ? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> ? From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >> ? Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM >> ? To: [3]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> >> ? I have not received the survey.? I am hoping it would have a 4th >> ? reply. >> ? 4.? Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information >> ? and >> ? postings from POCA.com.? You may keep any pro-rated membership fees >> and >> ? future publication mailings. >> ? The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email >> ? address >> ? to see whom to send above to. >> >> ? -----Original Message----- >> ? From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >> On >> ? Behalf >> ? Of Will Kooiman >> ? Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM >> ? To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift(a)hotmail.com; bill(a)incendium.com >> ? Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; >> ? mbglobalsc(a)aol.com; gpd4(a)juno.com >> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> ? Verbatim from the survey: >> ? 1.? We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and >> want >> ? you to fight for us and keep making the club better.? OR >> ? 2.? We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, >> let >> ? the >> ? contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. >> ? This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully >> ? support us, or you suck. >> ? How about this? >> ? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am >> ? unhappy >> ? with the way it has been done.? Please continue trying to make the >> club >> ? better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have >> been >> ? damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating >> ? people >> ? with respect, they should leave. >> ? -- >> ? Will >> ? _______________________________________________ >> ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> ? DeTomaso mailing list >> ? DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> ? [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> ? use the links above. >> ? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive >> ? or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> References >> >> ? 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 >> ? 2. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com >> ? 3. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com >> ? 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> ? 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:01:13 -0500 > From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> > To: Michael Haney <paso750(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > Message-ID: > <CANX29aUbq2kbO6AX3O6U3+2=A3vh5wvrL1=oLf154ummzir=Yw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > World domination? > >> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney <paso750(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end goal >> was. >> I still haven't figured it out. >> Mike Haney >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf >> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM >> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly' >> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a car >> club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous. The >> hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about crap like this going >> on to >> gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a >> car club. >> Ken >> >> From: Charles Engles <cengles(a)cox.net> >> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati(a)mac.com>; >> 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms(a)live.com> >> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> Dear Ken, >> >> >> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi. >> >> >> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf >> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM >> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly >> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those >> surveys >> carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to >> do >> things informed members would never approve? >> Ken >> >> From: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> >> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> >> Cc: "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >> >> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board. >> >> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that >> he >> has a list of. >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms(a)live.com> wrote: >>> >>> Check your junk file. Mine was there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM >>> To: [3]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >>> >>> >>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th >>> reply. >>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information >>> and >>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees >>> and >>> future publication mailings. >>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email >>> address >>> to see whom to send above to. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Will Kooiman >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM >>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift(a)hotmail.com; bill(a)incendium.com >>> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; >>> mbglobalsc(a)aol.com; gpd4(a)juno.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) >>> Verbatim from the survey: >>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and >>> want >>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR >>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, >>> let >>> the >>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. >>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully >>> support us, or you suck. >>> How about this? >>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am >>> unhappy >>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the >>> club >>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have >>> been >>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating >>> people >>> with respect, they should leave. >>> -- >>> Will >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive >>> or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 >>> 2. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com >>> 3. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com >>> 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >>> 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed >> 1.5 >> Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed >> 1.5 >> Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. >

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