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Re: [DeTomaso] Renewal
by cengles＠cox.net 18 Aug '16

18 Aug '16

Dear Thomas: Welcome back and God bless you. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote: > Given the outcome of the POCA debacle, I have just renewed my > membership for 1 year. Had the previous president been in office I > would not have done that. > > I opted out of printed newsletters as I can just as easily print them > myself, double sided and in full color. > > Cheers, > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Renewal
by cengles＠cox.net 18 Aug '16

18 Aug '16

Dear Thomas, I am still quite pleased that you renewed. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote: > Actually I was due in October, so no "coming back", I never left ;) > > Cheers, > Thomas > > Den 2016-08-18 kl. 15:55, skrev cengles(a)cox.net: >> Dear Thomas: Welcome back and God bless you. Warmest regards, >> Chuck Engles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote: >> >>> Given the outcome of the POCA debacle, I have just renewed my >>> membership for 1 year. Had the previous president been in office I >>> would not have done that. >>> >>> I opted out of printed newsletters as I can just as easily print >>> them >>> myself, double sided and in full color. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Thomas >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) >>> use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive >>> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> !DSPAM:57b5be54159462199229964! >> > > > -- > Real life: Thomas Törnblom Email: thomas(a)hax.se > Snail mail: Banvallsvägen 14 Phone: +46 18 32 31 18 > S - 754 40 Uppsala, Sweden Mobile: +46 76 209 8320

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Re: [DeTomaso] forum rule: No POCA discussions
by Rob Dumoulin 18 Aug '16

18 Aug '16

"Paying for meat?" That just sounds dirty. Care to elaborate? On Aug 17, 2016 5:06 PM, "Larry - Ohio Time" <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: > << "off-color" humor >> > > Does this meat we will need to pay more to see it in color? > > Larry (blind to all this) - Cleveland > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of audionut(a)hushmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:14 PM > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] forum rule: No POCA discussions > > With all due respect to those who'd like the content of this forum to > be in accordance with their personal preference ..... > I say let 'er rip. There are no "trolls" here. (Well, maybe > me....sometimes I poke fun at people offline who take offense at > benign, silly things like occasional "off-color" humor.) I like all > the POCA discussions, arguments, brouhaha, etc., be they endless or > not. It's nice to know what's going on, even if we don't ever quite > figure that out. People need to hash things out. This is normal and > healthy among passionate people who care about things. If this > scares off anyone, then let 'em be scared off. I mean, is this is a > real car club with real people in it? Or is it afternoon tea-time > with the bridge club? Things are going to get messy from time to time, > perhaps even a bit nasty. So be it. This is why we all (hopefully) > have a fire extinguisher inside our cars-- the damned thing could > catch fire at any moment. (Mine did just a couple of months ago.) > Apparently our former Prez sparked a hell of a fire here. Well > alright then. We dealt with it. No big deal. Thanks again to the > BOD who did the dirty work of putting it out. Yet the embers still > smolder... Shortt is a fiery guy who evidently did some good things > for the club......okay he wound up self-immolating in the process > but.... oh well. I see no reason to hate the guy. The lawsuit > threats were just pitiful, really. I feel kinda bad for the guy if he > was feeling cornered and attacked to the extent he resorted to all > that nonsense. Hopefully, his love of the Pantera outshines his > unpleasant experience with POCA and he continues to enjoy the car as > well as other people who love it. (btw, Facebook makes me nauseous > for some odd reason. Haven't been on it since around 2009. I visit > only reluctantly when details of certain social events can't be known > about any other way.) > Sent using Hushmail > On August 16, 2016 at 1:26 PM, "Ed Mendez" wrote:Hi all, > This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt > and it is the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and > all this arguing does not look good to prospective members. I > recommend that you please take this discussion and address it on the > poca.com forum. I believe this was suggested about 200 emails ago, > maybe 300. > > The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and > wiring, and fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car > shows and fun. Get my point? > > Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. > But I know I'm going to get it anyway. :-) > > Have a great Pantera day. > > The POCA PR dude. > > :-) > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > "Paying for meat?"A That just sounds dirty.A Care to elaborate? On Aug 17, 2016 5:06 PM, "Larry - Ohio Time" <[1]Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: << "off-color" humor >> Does this meat we will need to pay more to see it in color? Larry (blind to all this) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of [3]audionut(a)hushmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:14 PM To: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] forum rule: No POCA discussions With all due respect to those who'd like the content of this forum to be in accordance with their personal preference ..... I say let 'er rip.A There are no "trolls" here.A (Well, maybe me....sometimes I poke fun at people offline who take offense at benign, silly things like occasional "off-color" humor.) I like all the POCA discussions, arguments, brouhaha, etc., be they endless or not. It's nice to know what's going on, even if we don't ever quite figure that out.A People need to hash things out.A This is normal and healthy among passionate people who care about things.A A If this scares off anyone, then let 'em be scared off.A I mean, is this is a real car club with real people in it?A A Or is it afternoon tea-time with the bridge club? Things are going to get messy from time to time, perhaps even a bit nasty.A So be it.A A This is why we all (hopefully) have a fire extinguisher inside our cars--A A the damned thing could catch fire at any moment.A (Mine did just a couple of months ago.) Apparently our former Prez sparked a hell of a fire here.A Well alright then.A We dealt with it.A No big deal.A Thanks again to the BOD who did the dirty work of putting it out.A Yet the embers still smolder... Shortt is a fiery guy who evidently did some good things for the club......okay he wound up self-immolating in the process but.... oh well.A I see no reason to hate the guy.A The lawsuit threats were just pitiful, really.A I feel kinda bad for the guy if he was feeling cornered and attacked to the extent he resorted to all that nonsense. Hopefully, his love of the Pantera outshines his unpleasant experience with POCA and he continues to enjoy the car as well as other people who love it.A A (btw, Facebook makes me nauseous for some odd reason.A Haven't been on it since around 2009.A I visit only reluctantly when details of certain social events can't be known about any other way.) A Sent using Hushmail On August 16, 2016 at 1:26 PM, "Ed Mendez"A wrote:Hi all, This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt and it is the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and all this arguing does not look good to prospective members. I recommend that you please take this discussion and address it on the [5]poca.com forum. I believe this was suggested about 200 emails ago, maybe 300. The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and wiring, and fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car shows and fun. Get my point? Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. But I know I'm going to get it anyway. :-) Have a great Pantera day. The POCA PR dude. :-) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:audionut@hushmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. http://poca.com/ 6. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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Renewal
by Thomas Tornblom 18 Aug '16

18 Aug '16

Given the outcome of the POCA debacle, I have just renewed my membership for 1 year. Had the previous president been in office I would not have done that. I opted out of printed newsletters as I can just as easily print them myself, double sided and in full color. Cheers, Thomas

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L bumper stops wind noise ?
by Garth Rodericks 18 Aug '16

18 Aug '16

Wind noise? No! Reduce high-speed front-end lift? No! The only reason the L bumper was added (in the US only) was to meet US 5 mph bumper regulations, courtesy of the insurance industry and probably Ralph Nader too. Wind noise? No! Reduce high-speed front-end lift? No! The only reason the L bumper was added (in the US only) was to meet US 5 mph bumper regulations, courtesy of the insurance industry and probably Ralph Nader too.

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Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ?
by Charles Engles 18 Aug '16

18 Aug '16

Malarkey x2 Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Scott Mead Photography Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:14 PM To: 'Rob Dumoulin'; 'Guido deTomaso' Cc: 'detomaso' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ? I've driven/ridden in many a Pre-L and L cars, and I've never noticed a discernable difference in wind noise, nor have I heard/read anything about lack of wind noise being a benefit of the L bumper. I vote for malarkey. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:58 PM To: Guido deTomaso Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper stops wind noise ? I will go on the record that my chrome bumpers do not stop wind noise above 120 MPH. Is it just me? On Aug 17, 2016 8:53 PM, "Guido deTomaso" <guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net> wrote: > Over on Facebook "Motorology" someone is claiming the L bumper in front > stopped a wind noise / buffeting issue. > Sounds like malarkey to me, but I don't have pre-L to make a comparison > to. > Was this ever a thing ? > GD > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
by Ed Mendez 17 Aug '16

17 Aug '16

Hi all, This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt and it is the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and all this arguing does not look good to prospective members. I recommend that you please take this discussion and address it on the poca.com forum. I believe this was suggested about 200 emails ago, maybe 300. The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and wiring, and fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car shows and fun. Get my point? Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. But I know I'm going to get it anyway. :-) Have a great Pantera day. The POCA PR dude. :-) <---- this means I'm happy. Ps. Have fun. Now back to Facebook where it is actually fun. On Aug 16, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Judith McCartney <jpoca2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof. This is Michael Shortt saying we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing, He has said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these problems you allowing this to happen. Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we should have, come up with proof that we did. The Color is a wonderful Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what the members want. Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in writing. So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than should of. Another way of him creating trouble. His calling people names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too. Just remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better. Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent, Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the members who request it by email. so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward. I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before. Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator. Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000 To: terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov; forestg(a)att.net; jjdetrich(a)gmail.com; laurieferrari(a)aol.com CC: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 From: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each publica tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like t here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> To: Forest Goodhart <forestg(a)att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>; "lau rieferrari(a)aol.com" <laurieferrari(a)aol.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg(a)att.net> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg(a)att.net> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari(a)aol.com" <[7]laurieferrari(a)aol.com> Cc: "[8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> To: [11]laurieferrari(a)aol.com Cc: [12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. [14]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [16][1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:forestg@att.net 4. mailto:forestg@att.net 5. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 6. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 7. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 8. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 11. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 12. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 13. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 14. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 16. [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Hi all, This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt and it is the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and all this arguing doe s not look good to prospective members. I recommend that you please take this di scussion and address it on the poca.com forum. I believe this was suggested abou t 200 emails ago, maybe 300. The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and wiring, and fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car shows and fun. Get m y point? Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. But I know I'm going to get it anyway. :-) Have a great Pantera day. The POCA PR dude. :-) <---- this means I'm happy. Ps. Have fun. Now back to Facebook where it is actually fun. On Aug 16, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Judith McCartney <jpoca2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof. This is Michael Shortt saying we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing, He has said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these problems you allowing this to happen. Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we should have, come up with proof that we did. The Color is a wonderful Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what the members want. Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in writing. So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than should of. Another way of him creating trouble. His calling people names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too. Just remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better. Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent, Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the members who request it by email. so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward. I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before. Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator. Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000 To: [1]terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov; [2]forestg(a)att.net; [3]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com; [4]laurieferrari(a)aol.com CC: [5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 From: [6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each publica tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like t here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> To: Forest Goodhart <forestg(a)att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>; "lau [7]rieferrari(a)aol.com" <laurieferrari(a)aol.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg(a)att.net> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg(a)att.net> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari(a)aol.com" <[7]laurieferrari(a)aol.com> Cc: "[8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> To: [11]laurieferrari(a)aol.com Cc: [12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. [14]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [16][1][8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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[16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [17]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Printing Center USA Newsletter and Profiles bids
by marshall smith 17 Aug '16

17 Aug '16

All,Here are the bids that Michael obtained from Printing Center USA for the printing and distribution of the Newsletters and Profiles. Can those of you who have questioned this situation please compare these bids with those of our current printer? Hopefully, this should finally end 'this' scandal that remains from the Michael Shortt era and that refuses to die! Marshall Smith | | Hi Michael , I have completed a quote for you and will leave it below. I based this quote off of the best value and quality specs available. If you were looking for any other options or quantities in particular please let me know and I will make that adjustment. Click here to go to our online pricing tool if you would like. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to help you, please follow up with me when you can. Files types we accept: - Custom Files Just about any file type we can work with. - Online Design Files Create your calendar using our online design tool. - Professional Design Services We have them simply ask for more information. Sincerely, Reid stollAccount ServicesToll Free: 800.995.1555 Independent reviews: Trustpilot Yelp Google+ | | Quote#57105-R/Printingcenter USA Quote Valid for 30 days from receipt. | | Description | Quantity | Page count | Printing Total | | | | Newsletter 32+ cover ( monthly ) option 2Size: 8.5 x 11 Pages: 36 ( 32+cover ) Inside Ink: (1/1) black ink Both Sides Cover Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both SidesCover Finish: None Paper Cover: 100# matte CoverPaper Inside: 80# matteText Binding: Saddle-Stitched (Long Edge) Proof: Electronic Hole Drilling: No Thank YouAddress & Mail + stuffing/sealing @1000 280.00 @1500 420.00POSTAGE : estimated Mixed ADC32+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.12Ref if over ( 7 oz.) $ 715.81Turn Around: 6 Business Days Shipping: Ground TBA Discount: (10%) off 1 year *(Better rates may be available for Freight deliveries. If your company can accept a freight delivery please ask for custom freight pricing.) | | | 10001500 | | 32+ cover32+ cover | $ 1565.47$ 1811.39 | | Information on Magazines | Click Here | | Downloadable templates | Click Here | | Upload your files to get started | Click Here | | Terms and Conditions | Click Here | | | All Rights Reserved ©2001-2016 PrintingCenterUSA117 9th St N, Great Falls, MT 59401 | | | Hi , I have completed a quote for you and will leave it below. I based this quote off of the best value and quality specs available. If you were looking for any other options or quantities in particular please let me know and I will make that adjustment. Click here to go to our online pricing tool if you would like. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to help you, please follow up with me when you can. Files types we accept: - Custom Files Just about any file type we can work with. - Online Design Files Create your calendar using our online design tool. - Professional Design Services We have them simply ask for more information. Sincerely, Reid stollAccount ServicesToll Free: 800.995.1555 Independent reviews: Trustpilot Yelp Google+ | | Quote#57100-R/Printingcenter USA Quote Valid for 30 days from receipt. | | Description | Quantity | Page count | Printing Total | | | | Magazines 4 times a yearSize: 8.5 x 11 Pages: column 2 Inside Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both Sides Cover Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both SidesCover Finish: None Paper Cover: 80# Gloss CoverPaper Inside: 80# Gloss Text Binding: Saddle-Stitched (Long Edge) Proof: Electronic Hole Drilling: No Thank YouAddress & Mail + stuffing/sealing @1000 280.00 POSTAGE : estimated Mixed ADC24+c ( 5 oz.) $ 620.4528+c ( 5 oz.) $ 620.4532+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.1226+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.1224+c ( 7 oz.) $ 715.8124+c ( 7 oz.) $ 715.81Ref if over 8 oz 763.50Ref if over 9 0z 811.18 Turn Around: 6 Business Days Shipping: Ground TBA Discount: (10%) off 1 year *(Better rates may be available for Freight deliveries. If your company can accept a freight delivery please ask for custom freight pricing.) | | | 1000100010001000100010001000 | | 24+ cover28+ cover32+ cover36+ cover40+ cover44+ cover | $ 1360.86$ 1549.33$ 1745.86$ 1941.70$ 2137.55$ 2332.49 | | Information on Magazines | Click Here | | Downloadable templates | Click Here | | Upload your files to get started | Click Here | | Terms and Conditions | Click Here | | | All Rights Reserved ©2001-2016 PrintingCenterUSA117 9th St N, Great Falls, MT 59401 | | | Hi Michael, I have completed a quote for you and will leave it below. I based this quote off of the best value and quality specs available. If you were looking for any other options or quantities in particular please let me know and I will make that adjustment. Click here to go to our online pricing tool if you would like. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to help you, please follow up with me when you can. Files types we accept: - Custom Files Just about any file type we can work with. - Online Design Files Create your calendar using our online design tool. - Professional Design Services We have them simply ask for more information. Sincerely, Reid stollAccount ServicesToll Free: 800.995.1555 Independent reviews: Trustpilot Yelp Google+ | | Quote#57101-R/Printingcenter USA Quote Valid for 30 days from receipt. | | Description | Quantity | Page count | Printing Total | | | | Magazines 4 times a yearSize: 8.5 x 11 Pages: column 2 Inside Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both Sides Cover Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both SidesCover Finish: None Paper Cover: 80# Gloss CoverPaper Inside: 80# Gloss Text Binding: Saddle-Stitched (Long Edge) Proof: Electronic Hole Drilling: No Thank YouAddress & Mail + stuffing/sealing @1500 420.00 POSTAGE : estimated Mixed ADC24+c ( 5 oz.) $ 620.4528+c ( 5 oz.) $ 620.4532+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.1226+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.1224+c ( 7 oz.) $ 715.8124+c ( 7 oz.) $ 715.81Ref if over 8 oz 763.50Ref if over 9 0z 811.18 Turn Around: 6 Business Days Shipping: Ground TBA Discount: (10%) off 1 year *(Better rates may be available for Freight deliveries. If your company can accept a freight delivery please ask for custom freight pricing.) | | | 1500150015001500150015001500 | | 24+ cover28+ cover32+ cover36+ cover40+ cover44+ cover | $ 1501.99$ 1802.12$ 2027.25$ 2263.00$ 2502.69$ 2745.84 | | Information on Magazines | Click Here | | Downloadable templates | Click Here | | Upload your files to get started | Click Here | | Terms and Conditions | Click Here | | | All Rights Reserved ©2001-2016 PrintingCenterUSA117 9th St N, Great Falls, MT 59401 | All, Here are the bids that Michael obtained from Printing Center USA for the printing and distribution of the Newsletters and Profiles. Can those of you who have questioned this situation please compare these bids with those of our current printer? Hopefully, this should finally end 'this' scandal that remains from the Michael Shortt era and that refuses to die! Marshall Smith http://www.printingcenterusa.com/Images/email_logo.jpg Hi Michael , I have completed a quote for you and will leave it below. I based this quote off of the best value and quality specs available. If you were looking for any other options or quantities in particular please let me know and I will make that adjustment. [1]Click here to go to our online pricing tool if you would like. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to help you, please follow up with me when you can. Files types we accept: * Custom Files Just about any file type we can work with. * Online Design Files Create your calendar using our online design tool. * Professional Design Services We have them simply ask for more information. Sincerely, Reid stoll Account Services Toll Free: [2]800.995.1555 Independent reviews: [3]Trustpilot [4]Yelp [5]Google+ Quote#57105-R/Printingcenter USA Quote Valid for 30 days from receipt. Description Quantity Page count Printing Total Newsletter 32+ cover ( monthly ) option 2 Size: 8.5 x 11 Pages: 36 ( 32+cover ) Inside Ink: (1/1) black ink Both Sides Cover Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both Sides Cover Finish: None Paper Cover: 100# matte Cover Paper Inside: 80# matteText Binding: Saddle-Stitched (Long Edge) Proof: Electronic Hole Drilling: No Thank You Address & Mail + stuffing/sealing @1000 280.00 @1500 420.00 POSTAGE : estimated Mixed ADC 32+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.12 Ref if over ( 7 oz.) $ 715.81 Turn Around: 6 Business Days Shipping: Ground TBA Discount: (10%) off 1 year *(Better rates may be available for Freight deliveries. If your company can accept a freight delivery please ask for custom freight pricing.) 1000 1500 32+ cover 32+ cover $ 1565.47 $ 1811.39 Information on Magazines [6]Click Here Downloadable templates [7]Click Here Upload your files to get started [8]Click Here Terms and Conditions [9]Click Here All Rights Reserved A(c)2001-2016 PrintingCenterUSA 117 9th St N, Great Falls, MT 59401 http://www.printingcenterusa.com/Images/email_logo.jpg Hi , I have completed a quote for you and will leave it below. I based this quote off of the best value and quality specs available. If you were looking for any other options or quantities in particular please let me know and I will make that adjustment. [10]Click here to go to our online pricing tool if you would like. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to help you, please follow up with me when you can. Files types we accept: * Custom Files Just about any file type we can work with. * Online Design Files Create your calendar using our online design tool. * Professional Design Services We have them simply ask for more information. Sincerely, Reid stoll Account Services Toll Free: [11]800.995.1555 Independent reviews: [12]Trustpilot [13]Yelp [14]Google+ Quote#57100-R/Printingcenter USA Quote Valid for 30 days from receipt. Description Quantity Page count Printing Total Magazines 4 times a year Size: 8.5 x 11 Pages: column 2 Inside Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both Sides Cover Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both Sides Cover Finish: None Paper Cover: 80# Gloss Cover Paper Inside: 80# Gloss Text Binding: Saddle-Stitched (Long Edge) Proof: Electronic Hole Drilling: No Thank You Address & Mail + stuffing/sealing @1000 280.00 POSTAGE : estimated Mixed ADC 24+c ( 5 oz.) $ 620.45 28+c ( 5 oz.) $ 620.45 32+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.12 26+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.12 24+c ( 7 oz.) $ 715.81 24+c ( 7 oz.) $ 715.81 Ref if over 8 oz 763.50 Ref if over 9 0z 811.18 Turn Around: 6 Business Days Shipping: Ground TBA Discount: (10%) off 1 year *(Better rates may be available for Freight deliveries. If your company can accept a freight delivery please ask for custom freight pricing.) 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 24+ cover 28+ cover 32+ cover 36+ cover 40+ cover 44+ cover $ 1360.86 $ 1549.33 $ 1745.86 $ 1941.70 $ 2137.55 $ 2332.49 Information on Magazines [15]Click Here Downloadable templates [16]Click Here Upload your files to get started [17]Click Here Terms and Conditions [18]Click Here All Rights Reserved A(c)2001-2016 PrintingCenterUSA 117 9th St N, Great Falls, MT 59401 http://www.printingcenterusa.com/Images/email_logo.jpg Hi Michael, I have completed a quote for you and will leave it below. I based this quote off of the best value and quality specs available. If you were looking for any other options or quantities in particular please let me know and I will make that adjustment. [19]Click here to go to our online pricing tool if you would like. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to help you, please follow up with me when you can. Files types we accept: * Custom Files Just about any file type we can work with. * Online Design Files Create your calendar using our online design tool. * Professional Design Services We have them simply ask for more information. Sincerely, Reid stoll Account Services Toll Free: [20]800.995.1555 Independent reviews: [21]Trustpilot [22]Yelp [23]Google+ Quote#57101-R/Printingcenter USA Quote Valid for 30 days from receipt. Description Quantity Page count Printing Total Magazines 4 times a year Size: 8.5 x 11 Pages: column 2 Inside Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both Sides Cover Ink: (4/4) Full Color Both Sides Cover Finish: None Paper Cover: 80# Gloss Cover Paper Inside: 80# Gloss Text Binding: Saddle-Stitched (Long Edge) Proof: Electronic Hole Drilling: No Thank You Address & Mail + stuffing/sealing @1500 420.00 POSTAGE : estimated Mixed ADC 24+c ( 5 oz.) $ 620.45 28+c ( 5 oz.) $ 620.45 32+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.12 26+c ( 6 oz.) $ 668.12 24+c ( 7 oz.) $ 715.81 24+c ( 7 oz.) $ 715.81 Ref if over 8 oz 763.50 Ref if over 9 0z 811.18 Turn Around: 6 Business Days Shipping: Ground TBA Discount: (10%) off 1 year *(Better rates may be available for Freight deliveries. If your company can accept a freight delivery please ask for custom freight pricing.) 1500 1500 1500 1500 1500 1500 1500 24+ cover 28+ cover 32+ cover 36+ cover 40+ cover 44+ cover $ 1501.99 $ 1802.12 $ 2027.25 $ 2263.00 $ 2502.69 $ 2745.84 Information on Magazines [24]Click Here Downloadable templates [25]Click Here Upload your files to get started [26]Click Here Terms and Conditions [27]Click Here All Rights Reserved A(c)2001-2016 PrintingCenterUSA 117 9th St N, Great Falls, MT 59401 References 1. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/Product/tabid/81/ProdID/31867/cid/171/gid/… 2. file://localhost/tmp/tmpSyVPuD.html 3. https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.printingcenterusa.com 4. http://www.yelp.com/biz/printingcenterusa-com-great-falls 5. https://plus.google.com/109615695136447062114/about 6. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/printing/magazine-printing 7. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/magazine-templates 8. http://file.printingcenterusa.com/Default.aspx?u=Kevin 9. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx 10. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/Product/tabid/81/ProdID/31867/cid/171/gid/… 11. file://localhost/tmp/tmpSyVPuD.html 12. https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.printingcenterusa.com 13. http://www.yelp.com/biz/printingcenterusa-com-great-falls 14. https://plus.google.com/109615695136447062114/about 15. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/printing/magazine-printing 16. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/magazine-templates 17. http://file.printingcenterusa.com/Default.aspx?u=Kevin 18. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx 19. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/Product/tabid/81/ProdID/31867/cid/171/gid/… 20. file://localhost/tmp/tmpSyVPuD.html 21. https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.printingcenterusa.com 22. http://www.yelp.com/biz/printingcenterusa-com-great-falls 23. https://plus.google.com/109615695136447062114/about 24. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/printing/magazine-printing 25. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/magazine-templates 26. http://file.printingcenterusa.com/Default.aspx?u=Kevin 27. http://www.printingcenterusa.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx

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Gold mine for POCA
by Jerry Knotts 17 Aug '16

17 Aug '16

Not being a member of the club but sort of feel like I have paid dues by being on the list. The club has a fairly large treasury and there is a fellow in Italy that apparently has acquired valuable history of the Pantera in drawings, blueprints and who knows what all. If the club could work a deal to purchase a compendium of documents representative of the manufacturing process and digitize them it could save them for the later generations. I would think that would add value to the club and the Marque. Always looking for information, jerry knotts

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Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Block FS
by Corey Price 17 Aug '16

17 Aug '16

Lifters and block are still for sale. I've advertised them on the POCA forum for $800 for the block, $475 for the lifters. Corey On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Corey Price <coreyjprice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Here's the 351c block I am selling. Please email me privately for more > info. It's bored to 0.020" over but not honed. It's been decked and line > honed. The lifter bores were CNC machined for bushings, ensuring alignment > with the camshaft. I also have a set of Crane 36532-16 hydraulic roller > lifters for sale. > > Corey > > > > > Lifters and block are still for sale.A I've advertised them on the POCA forum for $800 for the block, $475 for the lifters. Corey On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Corey Price <[1]coreyjprice(a)gmail.com> wrote: Here's the 351c block I am selling.A Please email me privately for more info. It's bored to 0.020" over but not honed. It's been decked and line honed.A The lifter bores were CNC machined for bushings, ensuring alignment with the camshaft. I also have a set of Crane 36532-16 hydraulic roller lifters for sale. Corey References 1. mailto:coreyjprice@gmail.com

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